Tom Campbell: Are We Living In A Simulation? Consciousness & A Theory Of Everything

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Thomas, thank you so much for
joining me.

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Generally, when I have someone
who's a neuroscientist or a

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philosopher of mind, I open with
the question, what is mind or

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what is consciousness?
But I think in your case, as a

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nuclear physicist and with a
diverse body of knowledge and

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work, my question to you is,
Thomas, what is matter?

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Well, that's that's just as
easy.

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But once you understand
consciousness, what matter is,

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is much simpler.
I'll answer both of those.

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You know, matter is information.
Our matter is really just

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information.
All right.

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And you say, well, what does
that mean?

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Well, you.
You look at me right through all

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this electronic Wiz we have here
and you know, you see this flesh

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body, you know and it looks like
matter, doesn't it?

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But what is it?
It's information.

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It's information that's been
collected by a camera.

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It's information that's been
collected by your eyeballs

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looking at a screen.
That information comes out of

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your screen is what, a million
little pixels of light.

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Each one of those pixels has a
has a position.

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A brightness, and I mean a color
and an intensity.

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That's it.
So you got, you got 3 parameters

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on each of the pixels and you
look at those million dots of

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light and you say, oh, there's
Thomas sitting across from me

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and look, he's got, yeah, so you
know, flowers in the background

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and this and that.
You see all that.

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But all it is, is information.
OK.

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So matter is in is information.
We get that information through

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our five senses.
If you didn't have your five

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senses, if you couldn't see,
couldn't hear, couldn't smell,

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couldn't taste, couldn't feel,
what would your what would?

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What would you be aware of?
What where, Where would the

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matter be?
It wouldn't be any, would there?

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It's gone.
You cut off your information

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sources and you can't experience
matter.

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So matter is an experience and
it's experience based on

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information.
And besides the definition of

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consciousness, which is what you
would have asked somebody else,

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that's so easy.
Then let me tell you that too.

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Consciousness is awareness with
a choice.

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And what is awareness?
Awareness is, again, it's based

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on getting input, right?
You're aware of something.

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How are you aware of it?
Well, you're aware of it

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because.
You have sensors that gather the

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information about it.
So the awareness part of the

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information system, if you will,
has input.

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You're aware of the of the
input.

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So I'll answer both of those
definitions.

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You know the the consciousness
itself is a is an information

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system.
It has, it gets inputs.

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And it looks at those inputs, it
assesses them, it interprets

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them, and then it interprets
that data into information.

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And that information isn't
necessarily exactly what the

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data says.
It's the interpretation that the

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consciousness makes of that
data.

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See when you look at data that's
coming across the screen.

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The only reason that you can
say, oh, that's purple flowers

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and Tom's wearing a blue polo
shirt and so on is because

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you've seen flowers, you've seen
shirts, you've seen human beings

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because you've seen those things
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You go in and do a pattern
match.

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Oh, that's Tom.
He's a human being, looks like

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he's male.
He's got white hair and a blue

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shirt.
You see because you've seen

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people with hair and shirts and
things.

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So it you go pattern match that
and that's what it is.

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It's all about information, and
you interpret that information

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based on your own experience
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If you had never seen a human
being, you'd never seen a shirt

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or flowers.
You'd look at this and you

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wouldn't know what it was.
You might not see anything.

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You might just say it's just a
bunch of scribble stuff.

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I don't know what it is.
It doesn't mean anything to me.

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So it only means something to
you in as much as you interpret

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it.
And if you took somebody that

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would say born in a desert,
never left the desert, they'd

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probably look at all that green
stuff and wonder what the heck's

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all that green stuff doing back
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What is that?
You know, they wouldn't know.

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And when you.
They wouldn't have that in their

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background.
When you say it's an awareness

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with a choice, Thomas, do you
want to elaborate on that aspect

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of choice of it?
Yeah, absolutely.

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So I talked a little about the
awareness and it it has a

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choice.
It can it can choose.

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Now in in the case of what we
were just talking about, it can

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choose to look at its all of its
background experience and decide

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that those are flowers and trees
and so on.

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But that's its choice.
It can choose how to interpret

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that.
It might interpret it

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differently, but it has the
choice of how or even whether to

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interpret it or not.
So it.

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It's consciousness is an
awareness okay, and it's aware

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of itself and its surroundings,
and it gets information and

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interprets that information.
And it can choose whether to

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interpret or even whether to
accept that information.

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It can turn it off, it can close
its eyes, so to speak.

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So it doesn't get that
information coming through the

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eyes.
So it has choices about what to

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do with that information, what
to turn it into, what to decide

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it is.
I mean, somebody may look at

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this and and come up with with
something different about it

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than than you and I would just
because they have a different

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background.
Well, then that's their choices.

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That's how they choose to see
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That's how they choose to
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You know, arts like that.
You know you have a painting,

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particularly if it's abstract.
Everybody looks at it to get

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something different out of it
because.

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It's a it's the feeling you get
from the art and everybody's

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feeling is different, but that's
just another choice and you you

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choose that.
So now choice means once you

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have a choice, there's a lot of,
there's a lot of stuff packed in

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that word choice, as you might
have guessed, that's why you

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asked.
Yeah, if you have a choice, then

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there's all.
Then you must have time.

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You have choice for that time
because there's before you made

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a choice and after you make the
choice, right?

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Choices make a difference, Okay.
So if you have choice, you have

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time.
And if you have choice, you also

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have free will, because that's
the only kind of choice there

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is.
If there is no free will, then

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there is no choice.
Choice is not defined.

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It's not a thing.
It's not a possibility.

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Everything just is.
If there's no free will but

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there's no, there is no choice.
So when I say it's awareness

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with a choice, that tells me
that I'm talking about

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consciousness, free will and
time.

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All things that have to exist
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exist, they they they have to
you know they're logically

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connected to each other.
You can't have, you know you.

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You couldn't have a choice.
Without time you can't have, you

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can't have awareness.
You know without choice or you

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can't have consciousness without
choice.

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You can have awareness without
choice, but then you just you're

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just aware, but you can't do
anything about it.

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So you don't come to any
conclusions, you just are aware,

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you know.
So it's entirely A passive

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thing.
You're not interactive at all.

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If it's.
If it's interactive, then then

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you have to have choice and free
will and time.

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So all those go together as a as
all three are logically

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necessary for.
For any of them to to make sense

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or exist now the opposite of
that, it has an opposite in

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philosophy, and that is
materialism.

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And materialism of course must
be also deterministic.

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That's the nature of
materialism, is that it's it's a

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it.
Also, logically, if you're a

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materialist, you must also be a
determinist.

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Unless you're not being
rational, you know those two are

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necessary for each other.
You know the physicists would

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tell you that if they knew the
exact state vector of every

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particle in the universe, then
they could predict everything

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else from there on.
That would happen because they

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just look at the rules and by
according to the rules the

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physics you know they could
predict everything else would

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happen.
That mean that's because it's

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all deterministic and if you're
if you're a materialist and thus

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a determinist.
You would have to come to the

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conclusion that consciousness,
time, and free will are all

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illusions.
And if you believe that

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consciousness, time and free
will are real things, then you'd

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have to come to the conclusion
that materialism and determinism

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were illusions.
So those are just

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philosophically incompatible
between those two, those two

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corners.
And of course, we we experience

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time.
We experience choice, which

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means free will, that we do make
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those choices and we, you know,
experience that we are

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conscious.
We we think we see things.

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We we interact with things.
So as far as observation goes, I

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would think most everybody says
well, sure, everybody every day,

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almost every minute of every
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The reality of time and
consciousness and free will,

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that's kind of standard.
But now over on the other side,

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they have to somehow say that
those things don't exist when we

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all see them and interact with
them every day, you know, So

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that gives them a pretty hard
thing to do.

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So they they really can't.
All they say is it's just an

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illusion.
No, we don't know how or why or

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anything about it, but it has to
be an illusion.

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Because we're materialists and
therefore we're determinists,

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and we know there can't be any
of those things, even though it

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seems obvious there are.
So that's a pretty weak

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argument.
They really don't have a, you

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know, a very good argument about
that other than if if

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materialism is right, then these
those three things have to be

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illusions.
And science has a very deep and

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abiding belief in materialism.
You know, it's a it's a belief

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just like any belief.
You know, it's not, it doesn't

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happen to be true, but it's a
belief that's very deeply held

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by most, most scientists,
actually, not just scientists,

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but most people in our culture.
It's a belief that's inherent in

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what I would call Western
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I think it's important to
acknowledge that because as

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someone who's firmly grounded in
a very materialist perception of

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reality, I think it's easy to
also see how scientism can

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easily grasp someone and hold
them very tightly with that

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belief system.
And many scientists often

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blinded by this belief system,
thinking that okay, they're

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gathering information using this
tool, this wonderful tool that

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is science, but not realizing
the normative application of

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their own values, belief systems
within this system and they

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become very blinded to this.
How do you feel this has

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happened throughout the years?
Well, you know, some of it's

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historical and that is that
before there was science as

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science, before that was really
a thing, there was religion and

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and you know, the religious
belief.

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Just like any belief system
here, it it grows till it gets

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very dogmatic.
And when it gets very dogmatic

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then if you don't believe it,
then obviously you're wrong and

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and maybe you even need to be
gotten rid of, you know, because

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you're a heretic.
So that was the that was the

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pressure.
You know, the high priests of, I

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don't know what we call it, of
our culture.

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We're all religious people.
The high priests are the people

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that tell us what to believe,
and they were religious, and if

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you were not with them and that
made you against them, well,

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that was a very serious problem
that could cost you your life.

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So science kind of grew up with
that going on and the idea that

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all that belief stuff was just
really not helpful.

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We need science.
We need to have a scientific

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method.
We need to determine what's real

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and what isn't real and how
things work, you know, without

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having you know these beliefs
imposed on us.

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But what happened is after the
success of Newton and and if

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success of of a science called
optics, you know these are old

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sciences.
You know, people had lenses and

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light, you know, going back to
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so.
So with with Newton and Newton's

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laws, which is kind of an
amusing thing too, because they

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turns out they're really not
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You know, they're not even
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They're only approximately right
in the macro world, you know,

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they're approximately right.
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kind of felt that that if you
can't see it and you can't

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measure it, then it doesn't
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Because all of the all of the
belief stuff that was troubling

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them but the church was imposing
upon them, you know, like

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Galileo under house arrest,
right?

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All had to do with things you
couldn't see and couldn't

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measure.
So the scientists had this real

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strong attitude about if.
You know, material world is all

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the world there is, and if you
can't see it, you can't interact

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with it, you can't measure it,
then it either doesn't exist or

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doesn't matter.
It's irrelevant.

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That's called the operational
definition of reality you have

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if you can operate on it.
Operate.

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You know, I say make a
measurement, but operate means

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you interact with it somehow.
You have to be able to interact

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with it, and that seems pretty
plausible in the beginning.

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Or if you can't interact with
it, you know well.

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Then you can't interact with it.
You know, where is it?

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What is it?
You know, So they throw that

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away.
But the problem with that is, is

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that the more meaningful part of
our life falls into that area of

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being what not real
pollutionary.

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So you have the objective world.
Oh, that's the stuff you can

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measure.
That's the stuff you can

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interact with.
But the subjective world is

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really where most of the action
really happens for most people

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all the time.
I mean the subjective world,

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that's where love is, that's
where cooperation and care and

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injustice and interaction and
you know all of the things that

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that are significant, you know,
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I mean if if, if you look at the
objective and the subjective.

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You know, the the, the objective
part are like the props on the

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stage.
It's the stuff, the subjective,

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you know, stuff is the actors
and their thoughts and their

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feelings and what's going on.
Well, nobody goes to a play to

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watch the props.
The props are what's interesting

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going on there, and I play
what's interesting to the people

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and what they're saying and
their attitudes or feelings and

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their interactions.
That's what's important.

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So when physics got to this
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the reality is just what you
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nothing else.
Well, what they said is that

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everything that wasn't material
was irrelevant, was imagined

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hallucination.
So that means you go to the

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theater and what the actors are
doing is all hallucination.

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And you should really just go
interact with the props, you

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know.
Well, of course, that doesn't

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make any sense at all.
So by by doing that, they felt

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that they were securing the
space where religion would no

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longer come in and and, you
know, tell them what they had to

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believe.
All right, well, what happens is

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now, so a couple of centuries
later, we have that.

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The physicists are the high
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It's the businesses that tell
all of us what's real and what's

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not real, and we pay attention
to them and they say this is a

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materialist world.
Nothing exists but materialism

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and that's it.
Well, then all that subjective

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stuff is is not covered there.
It's not real.

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Just like time isn't real and
consciousness isn't real and

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free will isn't real can't be
real.

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It's all just an hallucination.
Well, that's obviously not right

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either.
We know that, you know, our

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subjective reality is important.
It's significant and it's the

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larger part of us.
It's the more meaningful part of

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us.
It's not the it's not just the

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little part that we can ignore,
it's the big part.

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You know, all of our
relationships with other people

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are all subjective, okay.
They have objective bodies.

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But the relationships are all
subjective.

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Well, they're all
hallucinations.

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You only think you have a
relationship.

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There is no relationship.
You see the problem we get into

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So that's to the physicists you
say what?

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How did it?
How did it end up like that they

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they wanted to to kind of
inoculate themselves from the

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beliefs that?
They had to struggle with all

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through the 1617, you know
hundreds and before and things

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that got them burned at the
stake or in house arrest.

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They wanted to make sure that
didn't happen anymore and they

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wanted to focus just on the
things that they could.

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They could understand, they
could write equations to

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describe, because that all that
other subjective stuff well.

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What is that?
Where does it come from?

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You know, how does that work?
What are, what are the rules?

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They didn't have a clue.
So you tend to focus on what you

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can do, and you tend to ignore
what you don't understand.

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So that's how we've ended up
with, with a science that has

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this belief in materialism.
And what they basically say is

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that, oh, we just work with the
objective world because that's

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the only world we really know
exists.

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The rest of it?
Is an illusion, and we just

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don't deal with that.
You know, that's not hard

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science.
And the only science there is,

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the only real science is hard
science.

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That's kind of the way they feel
about that hard science.

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That would be physics,
chemistry, you know, biology,

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that sort of thing.
And the further up you go on

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that list, the less hard they
get.

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You know, you get into biology
now.

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You start to have squishy things
that aren't quite as hard as you

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had before because you have
things like consciousness.

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But in any case they they have
then become the high priests

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with very strong beliefs and
with very strong dogma, just

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like the high priests that they
supplanted, you know?

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So you get one, get rid of 1
bunch of high priests, and you

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end up with another bunch of
high priests that are also

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dogmatic.
And if you don't agree with them

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on that basic nature that
materialism is all there is,

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then you're a fool.
You just, you know, you're

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you're kind of a mushy brain
person that makes up a lot of

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stuff and believes it.
So unfortunately.

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They it's very.
Sorry, don't continue.

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Yeah, they got caught in the
same crap that they, you know,

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they tried so hard to avoid that
trap that they actually made the

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same trap for themselves and are
deeply caught in their own trap,

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so deeply caught.
And here's a real good example.

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You know in in the 9:00, about
100 years ago, in the 1915 and

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1925, you know, somewhere in
there quantum mechanics was

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discovered.
It became a science and it

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became a science because of the
double slid experiment and the

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double slit experiment very
clearly says that there is no

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matter that the fundamentals at
the bottom of the pile is

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probability and statistics.
It's information.

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It's just information.
And it's not only information,

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but it's information that's
dealt with with probability.

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So that was a problem for
physicists, but actually it

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wasn't a problem for the guys
who who did that.

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They were all thrilled.
Oh, wow.

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We got a whole new view of the
world, you know, And they were

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all excited about it, but they
didn't know how to deal with it.

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All right, that's great.
It's new now.

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Now what do we do?
How do we describe it?

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What's its point?
What?

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How does it work?
Well, they came up with nothing

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and they came up with nothing.
And these are all a bunch of

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really smart guys.
You know, we're talking about

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Flank and and Bohr and you know
Heisenberg and Schrodinger, you

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know, Vigner, all these guys,
Einstein was in there too.

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We're talking about all the
smartest people that the world

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seen for a a long, long time and
they hit the wall.

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They couldn't come up with any
thing to do with it.

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You know, we have, we have
quotes from Einstein saying

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that, yeah, we know that
consciousness has something to

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do with it.
But I don't have any idea how to

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deal with that.
I don't, I can't write an

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equation of consciousness, you
know, I don't know what it

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means.
So they just hit this, this wall

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and weren't able to take the
next step, which means explain

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why, you know, consciousness was
connected.

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Well, consciousness was
connected because if the

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information about what they call
the which way data which slip

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the particle went through, if
that information was available,

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they got one pattern and if that
information wasn't available,

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they got a different pattern.
So they realized that that

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information being available to
us made the difference.

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The observer.
It's called the observer factor,

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The observer paradox sometimes.
So they knew this was a big

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deal.
They knew it changed everything.

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They knew materialism wasn't
that answer, and they knew that

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it had something to do with
consciousness, but they could

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not figure out what or how or
why.

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So what?
1020 years go by 30 years and

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they basically give up.
They say nobody will ever know.

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It's impossible.
It's just weird science.

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So we're sticking with
materialism.

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Plus we'll add in this weird
science that this doesn't fit

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materialism, but it's just weird
science, you know, materialism

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is really still still the thing
this is will overlay it with

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some weird science sometimes.
But we know how to calculate

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that weird science.
So you know the famous quote.

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So shut up and calculate, you
know, don't don't ask us about

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what it means, just shut up and
calculate.

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So that was kind of the attitude
then of of physics.

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So you know, now you know I have
that that perspective, you know,

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there was a perspective that
they were missing.

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What is the perspective that
makes this all make sense?

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What has the perspective from
which we can derive quantum

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physics, not just empirically,
see that it works if you make

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these assumptions, but derive it
from first principles.

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And it's not weird science.
It's a logical science.

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Now, you know, really understand
why does it work?

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And things like why is the speed
of light a constant?

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You know, that's another big
mystery.

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You know, they don't know.
And there's all kinds of things

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they don't know.
Like where does time come from?

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Where does space come from?
Where does charge come from?

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Where does mass come from?
You ask physicists, Well,

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where's all these basic things
that you guys work with, come

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from?
And they'll say, well, they just

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are, you know, well, they just
are.

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That's not science, you know,
That's mysticism.

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So at the at the very root
foundation of physics is

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mysticism.
They don't know what all those

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things are, they just they just
are.

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Because they are is what they'll
tell you.

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It's self-evident that they are
now.

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And anyway, so you know if you
understand consciousness you can

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derive physics from it.
Consciousness is fun.

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Consciousness is fundamental.
Consciousness is the base of our

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reality.
And like I say, if you

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understand consciousness you can
actually derive quantum physics

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and relativity.
You know why sees a constant

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speed of light is to see, you
know why.

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You know the the double slit
experiment turned out the way it

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did, why it had to turn out that
way.

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So you try to explain that
though to physicists and the the

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paradigm shift is so great, it's
such a big paradigm shift that

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they can't grasp it because it
takes them of course away from

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their belief in materialism.
And actually it's not just a

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paradigm.
It's like you know, it's like 3

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paradigms, one up against the
other, you know shifts that they

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have to make plus a bunch of
deductive logic which they're

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perfectly capable of doing.
But when you when you see that,

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then everything falls out.
And not only do you derive from

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first principles a more general
physics that you know subsumes

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the physics that we have, plus
adds, you know, quantum physics

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to it as a rational logical
science.

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But you also end up with a
science of the subjective.

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So now you can understand the
subjective well, you know, so

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all of those subjective things,
that's stuff about

457
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,210
relationships, you know all of
that becomes sure.

458
00:27:58,210 --> 00:27:59,850
You can understand why is it
that way?

459
00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:02,010
Why is that relationship that
way?

460
00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:04,490
Why isn't that relationship a
good relationship?

461
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,650
Why is it a bad relationship?
So you can tell us and now you

462
00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:11,290
have a science of the subjective
and you get that just with

463
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:16,010
having a different perspective,
seeing these these paradigms

464
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:20,490
change.
But they can't, they can't go

465
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,490
there.
They can't see it.

466
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:26,230
It's just too big a a jump.
Now you know that it was going

467
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:29,990
to have to be a really big jump
because if all these scientists

468
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:33,470
for 100 years couldn't figure
out what the perspective was

469
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:36,700
that made it all make sense, you
know, it's not going to be just

470
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,020
a little bit different than what
they were used to.

471
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:43,460
It's going to be totally off the
wall, bizarro, you know, crazy

472
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,220
kind of thing.
Otherwise they would have

473
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:49,260
figured it out in 100 years.
I mean the best minds on the

474
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:52,500
planet have been banging their
head against that wall for a a

475
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:57,140
century and come up with
absolutely nothing so far.

476
00:28:57,740 --> 00:29:02,820
So it is very far out there.
Consciousness is fundamental,

477
00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:09,410
and we live in a virtual reality
computed by consciousness.

478
00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:14,450
See, that's what.
Whoa, where did that come from?

479
00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:19,050
Before you get to that, I mean a
big part of why I started this

480
00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:21,810
part cuz was actually an
opportunity to explore these

481
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:24,450
diverse ideas.
In a way where people can come

482
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:27,850
together, different backgrounds.
I want a scientist.

483
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:31,410
I want someone who's very hard
scientist to come here, listen

484
00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:32,930
to you speak.
But I don't want them to

485
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:35,370
immediately shut off because I
notice the moment someone says

486
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:38,170
something like that
consciousness is fundamental or.

487
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:41,860
We live in the matrix.
And if you if you takedown your

488
00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:44,260
theory, I mean that is pretty
much what you are saying, we

489
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,020
live in the Matrix.
I don't want them to immediately

490
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:47,540
switch off and then just change
the channel.

491
00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:50,420
I want them to understand, OK,
let's ground this in a way and

492
00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:52,860
let's give you the opportunity
to explore this idea in the

493
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,340
rational, coherent way that you
want to explain this.

494
00:29:55,580 --> 00:29:58,900
And something you do do is
because I notice that there are

495
00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:01,740
physicists nowadays coming to
the conclusion that look,

496
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:04,060
reality, space-time.
Donald Hoffman's one of them.

497
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:06,340
I mean, you've got all these
people who are concluding that

498
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,660
this reality is not.
Fundamentally what we think it

499
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:12,180
is now that's that's the first
premise they need to sit with

500
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:14,580
and then and now obviously try
and figure out how do we

501
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:18,260
practically apply this new
information to the way we live.

502
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:20,820
And I think that's what stumps a
lot of people is the moment you

503
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:24,220
draw this new conclusion, OK,
reality is the matrix.

504
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,380
Now what do you do really if
it's not practical, if it's not

505
00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:30,060
applicable And then there's no
point and that's where you were

506
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:33,660
headed with because this is just
but you find a way to.

507
00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:35,860
I mean you you have a theory of
everything.

508
00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:37,620
It explains consciousness,
physics.

509
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,720
Philosophy and a lot of these
views and and we'll slowly get

510
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,240
towards that, but let's now
discuss, OK, you, you conclude

511
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280
consciousness is fundamental and
now what?

512
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Well, of course.
You wanna discuss why you

513
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,920
fundamentally conclude that or
make that conclusion?

514
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,680
No.
If I talk about, you know, how

515
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,440
the logic that brought me to
that solution, we'd be here for

516
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,720
at least two or three hours.
You know, we can skip over some

517
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,840
of it.
I can kind of do a quick, you

518
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,140
know, zip over the top, but.
It's a highly technical summary.

519
00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:11,180
In essence.
I could do that.

520
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:15,620
But you know, you talk about
okay, so that's the way, if

521
00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:18,140
that's the way it is.
So what, you know, what does

522
00:31:18,140 --> 00:31:19,500
that tell us?
What does that leave us?

523
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:24,660
But the answer to that is it
leaves us with a whole new

524
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:27,620
physics, a whole new view of
reality.

525
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:31,720
You know, every time we have a
big paradigm shift in physics,

526
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,400
we usually get new technology,
we get new ideas.

527
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200
I mean, all kinds of things
bubble up out of those.

528
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,440
You know, those paradigm shifts,
Once you understand reality

529
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,960
better, it opens up all sorts of
things and one of the things

530
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,200
that it is done.
You know, in science, there's

531
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,200
lots of things called paradoxes.
Well, like the speed of lights,

532
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,880
a constant.
That's the paradox, you know.

533
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,120
And, you know, quantum physics
says that, you know, there's,

534
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,000
there's uncertainty at the root
of everything, that there's

535
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
probability.
Well, those paradoxes, there's

536
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,840
lots of paradoxes like that.
You know, there's bunches of

537
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,520
paradox.
There's lots of paradoxes in

538
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,960
biology.
There's paradoxes in, you know,

539
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,520
science in general.
And the, you know, there's

540
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,320
paradoxes in what, you know, the
people that study old artifacts,

541
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,760
you know, that kind of stuff.
It's just everywhere.

542
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,160
And one of the things you get
with this is all those paradox

543
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,720
is dissolve.
They're not paradoxes anymore.

544
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,960
They have rational explanations,
simple explanations.

545
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,160
Oh, that's why this mean the
lights are constant.

546
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Oh, that's why some critters can
evolve faster than would be

547
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,200
possible just if it were random.
It's not random.

548
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440
You want to give us You want to
give us some of those?

549
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,050
Explanations.
Oh, sure.

550
00:32:58,090 --> 00:33:01,850
Just like just.
Pop up a couple of them.

551
00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:05,130
So there's a thing called the
anthropic principle.

552
00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:07,050
I think a physicist wrote a book
about that.

553
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:12,010
There's some, what they call
cosmic constants that physics

554
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:14,890
has.
And let's say there's no, I'm

555
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:17,570
just making stuff up now.
But you know, the concept's

556
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:20,370
still there.
I don't know the details, so

557
00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:22,210
I'll make those up.
But let's say there's four or

558
00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:26,650
five constants that we have, the
physicists have found.

559
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:32,750
And these constants are numbers
that have, you know, I don't

560
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:34,750
know, 1520 decimal places to
them.

561
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:37,350
You know, as long as it did how
much we can measure them, how

562
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:42,070
precisely we can measure them.
But they found out that of these

563
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:47,550
constants, if any one of them
were to change in, say, the 9th

564
00:33:47,550 --> 00:33:50,750
decimal place, the whole
universe would be unstable and

565
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:53,790
wouldn't work.
So the only way that this

566
00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:57,020
universe has stayed here for all
these billions of years is

567
00:33:57,020 --> 00:34:01,260
because these set of constances
are balanced perfectly, they're

568
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:05,220
tuned to each other.
And that was a discovery, I

569
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:07,580
don't know, about 20 years ago
and there was a book written

570
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:11,820
about that, so.
That's a big wow.

571
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:14,739
How did that happen?
You know, because if all this

572
00:34:14,739 --> 00:34:19,260
evolution is random, how do you
randomly get 5 independent

573
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:22,900
constances that are all in tune
with each other to 9 decimal

574
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,120
places?
That's not, that's not random

575
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,040
kind of things that happened
that looks like it was done just

576
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,960
to make a universe that we could
survive in.

577
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,320
So that's why they call it the
anthropic principle, Looks like

578
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,280
it was made for us.
Well, if you understand how this

579
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,679
virtual reality was created, it
tells you exactly why you get

580
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,440
those.
OK, this virtual reality was not

581
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,320
programmed.
It started with a a rule set and

582
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,790
initial conditions and when you
hit the run button, the initial

583
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:57,870
conditions would change
according to the rule set.

584
00:34:57,870 --> 00:35:00,310
You let it evolve.
Well, what's that?

585
00:35:00,470 --> 00:35:01,990
What are those initial
conditions?

586
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:03,750
You know, that's the ball of
plasma.

587
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:06,750
You know, The Big Bang ball of
plasma, the high energy, high

588
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:10,270
temperature and and what are the
rules, what we call science?

589
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:11,990
You know, that's that's the
rules.

590
00:35:12,350 --> 00:35:14,550
So you let that thing evolve and
what do you get?

591
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:18,750
You get this universe and
eventually you get us and you

592
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:21,230
know everything.
That's everything that's in it.

593
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:25,870
So that evolved.
Now, was the system so clever

594
00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:29,110
that it just got the right rules
and the right initial conditions

595
00:35:29,110 --> 00:35:31,150
the first time?
Of course not.

596
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:33,310
You know, so it's big digital
Bang.

597
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:35,630
Take one.
Oh, that didn't last long before

598
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:36,790
it bombed.
Big Digital.

599
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:38,710
You know, let me fiddle with
that a little and I'm going to

600
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:40,990
turn gravity down.
I'm going to, you know, adjust

601
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:42,870
this and that.
All right, Big digital bang.

602
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:46,100
Take two, you know, and by the
time you're up the big digital

603
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:50,580
bang, take 10,000, You've got
this thing tuned so that it

604
00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:52,580
works really, really well
together.

605
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:55,580
And you've got all your
constants, all your initial

606
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:59,500
conditions picked just to make
this thing work because that's

607
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,540
what you're trying to do.
You're going to trying to make

608
00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:03,660
that.
So if you see how that works,

609
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:07,420
then of course you'd end up with
a bunch of things that were

610
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:11,340
tuned together.
It was made specifically for us.

611
00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:15,530
That's that's truth.
So you know it solves that

612
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:18,810
problem.
One other thing that's been a

613
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:23,810
problem is, you know the speed
of light is a constant and and

614
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:27,970
why that's a constant is because
in a virtual reality, the fast

615
00:36:27,970 --> 00:36:30,730
that you can move, this the
highest speed that you can move

616
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:33,810
through a virtual reality.
And when I say move, I mean move

617
00:36:33,810 --> 00:36:37,050
continuously, you know, from
pixel to pixel to pixel to

618
00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:40,770
pixel, not teleporting, but just
moving from one pixel to the

619
00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:45,520
next.
It's 1D X for each delta T

620
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,800
That's it.
If every delta T every pixel of

621
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,280
the time you move one pixel of
distance, you can't get through

622
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,400
reality any faster than that.
You can get through it slower.

623
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:04,560
You can move 1D X for 50D T.
But if you move 50D X for 1D T,

624
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,400
well, now you're teleporting,
you're disappearing at this

625
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920
place, and you're appearing 70
pixels over, you know, or 50

626
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,570
pixels over.
So the move contiguously from

627
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:21,450
pixel to pixel, fastest that you
can go is 1D X for 1D T, so

628
00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:24,410
would that tell a?
System be something.

629
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:27,970
Akin to a quantum entanglement
or some sort of a spooky action

630
00:37:27,970 --> 00:37:29,730
at a distance.
Would it explain that in any

631
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:30,890
way?
Well, sure.

632
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:33,290
It explains that as well.
Because we're not down.

633
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:36,550
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, it explains all those

634
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:38,710
things.
You know, how does entanglement

635
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:40,590
work?
How is it that you have

636
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:44,430
something here and something 100
light years someplace else, You

637
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:46,590
make a change here, you
instantly get a change over

638
00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:48,030
there.
Okay.

639
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:51,750
Well, that's because this is a.
This is a.

640
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:57,150
A virtual reality.
You've heard of if, then

641
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:59,750
statements, right?
If this changes, then that

642
00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:01,830
changes.
It's a computed world.

643
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:05,800
There is no space.
Space doesn't actually exist.

644
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,760
Space exists because you take a
point, a random point, and you

645
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,960
say that's the origin.
All right.

646
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,840
Now I'm going to have three unit
vectors.

647
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,760
You know XY&Z from that point,
and that defines all space from

648
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,640
plus Infinity to minus Infinity
everywhere, you know, Now I got

649
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,200
a 3D space.
Well, that space isn't

650
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,560
fundamental, you see, we think
it's fundamental, just like we

651
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,160
think mass is fundamental.
It's not fundamental.

652
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,440
So it's just a.
It's just computation.

653
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:38,050
The reality requires for logical
consistency for that

654
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:42,330
entanglement to happen.
So how does it happen?

655
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:45,090
It's an if then statement.
That's how it happens.

656
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:48,450
It's it's part of the logic of
the physics.

657
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:50,850
It's it's part of the logic of
the rules.

658
00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:53,290
If you look at the rules, the
rules say this can happen.

659
00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:56,650
All right, So it happens.
That's.

660
00:38:56,770 --> 00:39:02,810
That's why it is.
Now the the speed of light is a

661
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:08,410
very important little number,
and we say it's constant, but it

662
00:39:08,410 --> 00:39:12,290
actually hits changed a little
bit again out in that 8th, 9th

663
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:15,730
decimal place.
And since we've been measuring

664
00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:19,010
it, we can measure it, say out
the 10 or 15 decimal places.

665
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:21,090
Our measurements gotten really,
really precise.

666
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:25,370
But this is like at the 9th, the
9th decimal place, it'll change

667
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:28,930
just a little bit, sometimes a
little higher, sometimes a

668
00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:30,370
little lower.
It just changes.

669
00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:36,770
Well, that delta X and delta T
The delta X divided by delta T

670
00:39:36,970 --> 00:39:40,290
is the speed of light, right?
1D X for every delta T, So that

671
00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:44,290
is the speed of light.
Now let's say I want higher

672
00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:47,090
resolution.
See delta X and delta T tell me

673
00:39:47,090 --> 00:39:49,610
what the resolution of the
system's going to be.

674
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:54,230
But now my, my avatars out there
are, you know, putting out the,

675
00:39:54,270 --> 00:39:57,270
you know, accelerators, smashing
particles, doing all kinds of

676
00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:02,510
things that require me the, the
creator of this, of this, this,

677
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:05,910
this virtual reality.
I need to make it a little

678
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:08,710
higher resolution because as
people are digging a little

679
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:10,910
deeper.
So how do I do that?

680
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:13,910
Well, I need delta X and delta T
to be a little smaller.

681
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:17,070
You know, I mean, it's smaller
delta X, it's smaller delta T

682
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:21,230
that gives me better resolution.
But I want the ratio, the speed

683
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:24,110
of light delta X over delta T to
remain the same.

684
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:30,030
But this is digital, I can't
make it exactly remain the same

685
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:31,870
because these things come in
chunks.

686
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:35,350
I can only get close.
You see what I mean?

687
00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:38,470
Okay.
Let's say if you if you just

688
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:40,990
mathematically could say, well
I'll take delta X and I'll

689
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:44,230
divide it by two and I'll take
delta T and I'll divide it by

690
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:46,190
two.
But if you did that you'd have

691
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:48,870
10,000 decimal places, maybe an
infinite number of decimal

692
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:51,910
places.
The world's pixelated so you can

693
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:54,630
only approximate that to the
nearest pixel.

694
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:59,150
So when it wants to do that it
says, all right, let's let's

695
00:40:59,990 --> 00:41:03,070
let's have the time and have the
distance and we'll have higher

696
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:06,950
resolution, but I want to keep C
the same but I can't make it

697
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:09,990
exactly the same.
I can say that, well, if I

698
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:14,940
added, you know, if it, if I
made time, you know, one pixel

699
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:18,180
less, it'd be too big, one pixel
more it'd be too little, you

700
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:20,140
know.
So I have to pick whichever one

701
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:22,540
of those is the closest.
And it's not going to be exactly

702
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:28,500
the same because our, our
reality is is pixelated, it's

703
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:33,260
digital, it's computed.
So that's why you get that

704
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:35,780
little tiny change and that
tells you where the resolution

705
00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:39,660
for this reality is and that
that resolution just got up a

706
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:44,780
little bit and then within that.
Framework of thinking within

707
00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:47,260
this virtual reality or computer
nature of the universe.

708
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:50,180
If you says, let's say flip the
equation of let's say you're

709
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,260
trying to figure out time delta
T over delta S at this point,

710
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,060
what type of relationship
dynamics would change here

711
00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:59,140
fundamentally with our
perception of this new reality

712
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:02,740
or virtual reality?
I'm not sure I understand what

713
00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:06,740
you're asking me, so if we try.
To understand the nature of time

714
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:10,530
from this perspective.
And you flip the delta so delta

715
00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:13,770
T over DD D sorry the distance
over time.

716
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:16,970
If you had to try and figure out
what time is in this one, so

717
00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:22,210
delta change over time.
So if you were to multiply the

718
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:26,730
both by time and then divide by,
how would you figure out what

719
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:29,690
time is here?
Time is created here.

720
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:32,650
Yeah?
Like what is time?

721
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:34,650
Let's just say what is, what is
time?

722
00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:36,010
And how does where does time
come from?

723
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:38,540
OK, well, time is just the outer
loop.

724
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:41,300
It's the delta T OK, so that's
time.

725
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:47,020
Now delta T, the way the way
dynamic simulations work is that

726
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:50,380
there's always an outer time
loop, and you have the

727
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:53,740
simulation that tells you how
all things move and change.

728
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:58,100
So then you increase delta T1,
little delta T, and you

729
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:00,780
recalculate everything.
All right, Something was here,

730
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:02,780
but it's moving.
So now the next delta T, it's

731
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:05,360
over here, you know?
So the next delta T, it's over

732
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,240
there.
So the way simulations work is

733
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,480
that there's an outer time loop,
and every cycle through the

734
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,600
simulation you recalculate
everything with the new time and

735
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,280
it tells you where all the stuff
went.

736
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,720
You see what happened next, all
the rules, you know, all the

737
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,880
rules that are dynamic, that
change with time, then change.

738
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,540
So that's the simulation.
So the system has a, you know,

739
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,860
has a, a timepiece.
The consciousness itself has a

740
00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:39,860
timepiece.
You know, it's digital.

741
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:43,540
So you just have a, let's say
you have a, a thing that goes

742
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:46,260
from one to zero, one to zero.
You know, digital has lots of

743
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:49,140
ones and zeros, but we'll just
take a little piece of it and go

744
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:52,780
101010.
We've got a clock, that's a

745
00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:55,540
metronome.
We have a clock but now we have

746
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:57,420
regular time based on this
clock.

747
00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:02,970
So consciousness clock is is is
much higher resolution than our

748
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:05,050
clock.
You know there's like a billion

749
00:44:05,050 --> 00:44:11,010
billion ticks of the fundamental
conscious clock for 1D T in our

750
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:15,530
simulation that gives the
consciousness computer lots and

751
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:19,450
billions of billions of cycles
in which it can do whatever it

752
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:24,530
needs to do between every one of
our delta T's you see so.

753
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:29,430
So we have that kind of thing.
So it's just our Delta T was set

754
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:33,990
to be whatever it needed to be
to give a decent resolution, no

755
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:37,070
more than necessary.
So when we were all cave guys

756
00:44:37,070 --> 00:44:39,230
walking around dragging our
knuckles on the ground, you

757
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:42,630
know, and everything was done in
the macro world, there wasn't

758
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:44,510
anything digging into small
spaces.

759
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:48,350
Well then the the the resolution
didn't have to be so big.

760
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:52,710
The real resolution was maybe
only two decimal places or one

761
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:54,670
decimal place probably was good
enough.

762
00:44:55,430 --> 00:45:01,760
And any computer simulation
wants to have no more resolution

763
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,160
than necessary, because the more
resolution, the more crunching

764
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,080
you have to do, the more
calculation you have to do.

765
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,520
And if you're not using that
information, then you don't do

766
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,320
it.
So you keep the resolution as

767
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,480
low as it can be without anybody
noticing that it's digital,

768
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,800
because you want this to seem
like it's a continuous place.

769
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:25,970
You don't want it to seem like
it's digital.

770
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:28,890
You want it to seem like in
motion is smooth, not the jerky

771
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:30,930
motion we got.
You know what?

772
00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:34,490
Back in old video games, right,
because everything was too slow.

773
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:36,730
Well, you don't want it to be
like that, that we're walking

774
00:45:36,730 --> 00:45:40,130
around like this, you know, and
and we can't invent things like

775
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:43,690
cars or airplanes because we're
all that jerky motion, you know,

776
00:45:43,690 --> 00:45:48,610
we'd kill ourselves.
So it wants to look nice and

777
00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:51,070
smooth.
So to do that, you pick a

778
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:53,910
resolution that works and then
as those people start digging

779
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:56,430
into smaller spaces, you're
going to have to change that

780
00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:59,350
resolution, but you don't want
to change it anymore than you

781
00:45:59,350 --> 00:46:02,510
need to.
Now the bottom level of where

782
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:06,110
you can change it is what we is
our.

783
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:09,190
Best guess in physics is that
that's what we call plank time

784
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:13,230
and Plank length, you know, and
that's very, very small.

785
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:16,870
But our resolution doesn't have
to be that small because that's

786
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:20,270
way smaller than anybody would.
You know, that's much more

787
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:24,030
resolution than humans need.
Even with our atom smashing and

788
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:26,630
everything else, that's that's
very, very small.

789
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:34,830
So the so what's time time is
been set at delta T just like

790
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:40,830
you make a simulation, you pick
a delta T and that's how you run

791
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:43,110
your simulation.
Well, delta t's been picked.

792
00:46:43,580 --> 00:46:46,580
And when that delta T ends up to
be too big and they need

793
00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:49,580
something a little smaller
because people are making better

794
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:54,700
and better tools for measuring
things, then you have to lower

795
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,860
that delta T But when you do,
you got to lower delta X2 or

796
00:46:57,860 --> 00:46:59,340
you're going to change the speed
of light.

797
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,740
And the speed of light is a
pretty important constant.

798
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:06,900
You know that a lot of things
kind of are based on that.

799
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,820
So you want to keep that speed
of light the same.

800
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:12,140
So that's why you get those,
those numbers.

801
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:15,890
That's why the speed of light
changes places.

802
00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:20,850
There's all kinds of things.
That little readiness potential

803
00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:25,730
that you find in muscle tissue
that shows that your arm is, is

804
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:29,450
getting ready to be raised
before you're even aware that

805
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:32,730
you need to raise it well, That
readiness potential is an

806
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:35,610
artifact of consciousness.
It's trying to get a slow

807
00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:41,330
electromechanical device moving
a body, you know, a physical

808
00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:46,850
body and you know, consciousness
moves a whole lot faster than

809
00:47:46,850 --> 00:47:48,650
that.
So it needs to get this body

810
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:53,170
moving so that we don't have lag
time because this body would

811
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:58,210
not, you know, this, this body
in this in this virtual reality

812
00:47:58,210 --> 00:48:00,570
would have a lot of lag time in
it otherwise.

813
00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:03,490
So this little readiness
potential is the system knows

814
00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:05,570
what's going on, what's going to
happen next because it's

815
00:48:05,570 --> 00:48:08,920
computing the whole thing.
So it says, well, we got to get

816
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,280
this body, you got to get this
arm ready to move because

817
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,400
otherwise these humans are going
to be looking like, you know,

818
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:20,560
1980s video games if we have all
this lag time going on.

819
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,120
But they've got these slow
electromechanical bodies that

820
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,920
have to move.
I mean to get that muscle to go,

821
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,760
you got to put, you know, squirt
some hormones in the blood and

822
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,450
let the blood bring it around
to, you know, to the particular

823
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:37,490
muscle tissue and you have to do
this and that and all that stuff

824
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:41,890
is really, really slow compared
to the reaction times that are

825
00:48:41,890 --> 00:48:45,490
necessary to make nice, smooth,
you know, well coordinated

826
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:49,410
action.
So that's another one of those

827
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:51,650
things that it's just, well, how
did that work?

828
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:57,090
You know, there's lots of these
paradoxes that you just don't

829
00:48:57,090 --> 00:49:01,560
understand, but they're they're
perfectly clear once you get

830
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,280
what's going on.
So that's what it does.

831
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,680
You know, So what?
Well, So what is?

832
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,160
It's better science.
It explains more.

833
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:13,840
You understand more.
And besides that, you can

834
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:20,720
predict new things.
You can, you can get a science

835
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,440
of the subjective that before it
was just no, nobody knows how

836
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,940
that works.
You know, that's just stuff, you

837
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:28,220
know.
But if you understand

838
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:30,340
consciousness, all that
subjective stuff is by

839
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:32,740
consciousness.
That's what it's about.

840
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:36,780
And there's a science there too.
Tom, you mentioned that.

841
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:38,900
You mentioned the well, you
indirectly mentioned it, but

842
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,580
Libert's experiments with the
readiness potential, a lot of

843
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:44,940
the approaches of someone, let's
say in a materialist view,

844
00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:48,100
trying to argue the fact that,
look, we don't really have

845
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,340
conscious experiences in the way
we think we do.

846
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:54,060
This illusionist view is based
on this, on these premises of

847
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:58,260
OK, a lot of this is happening.
During an autopilot state,

848
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,180
everything's happening in very
unconscious states, and a lot of

849
00:50:01,180 --> 00:50:03,500
the time we don't really even
know about the things that are

850
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:04,700
happening while they're
happening.

851
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:06,620
So, for example, while that
readiness potential is

852
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:08,740
occurring, I mean, there's
there's a lot of unconscious

853
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:11,460
inferences occurring.
And how do we explain these

854
00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:15,460
unconscious behaviors, or the
lack of control over the system

855
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:17,060
that's controlling us, in a
sense?

856
00:50:18,540 --> 00:50:21,700
We don't control the system that
controls us.

857
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:25,450
We're being computed, Okay.
We're we're being computed, but

858
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:27,410
we're being computed according
to a rule set.

859
00:50:27,850 --> 00:50:30,370
We're not just computed any
which way.

860
00:50:30,370 --> 00:50:33,610
There's a rule set that says how
we have to be computed.

861
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:37,890
So our consciousness, you know,
we talk about our conscious,

862
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:41,170
maybe call that little C
consciousness, you know, that's

863
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:44,130
our own personal piece of
consciousness.

864
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:46,890
All right.
Of course it doesn't know

865
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:48,610
everything.
It's just a little piece of

866
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:51,210
consciousness that's logged on
to this avatar to make the

867
00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:54,550
avatars choices.
There's a consciousness system

868
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:57,190
out there that's actually doing
the computing.

869
00:50:57,830 --> 00:51:01,190
We'll call that capital C
consciousness, you know, that's

870
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:04,350
the system doing the computing.
Now we're a little subset.

871
00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:09,910
We not we the body, We the piece
of consciousness that's playing

872
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:15,630
that physical avatar.
You know, me, the individuated

873
00:51:15,630 --> 00:51:18,670
unit of consciousness that's
playing Tom Campbell, you know,

874
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:21,190
the the human being.
All right.

875
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:25,110
Now, that consciousness, you
know, works at high speed.

876
00:51:25,110 --> 00:51:27,190
It's consciousness.
It's an information system.

877
00:51:27,550 --> 00:51:31,030
And it's an information system
with a much smaller delta T than

878
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:33,830
we have, with a faster
processor, if you will.

879
00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:41,190
But this virtual reality game we
play has a rule set, and that

880
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:44,150
rule set has all these
electromechanical things going

881
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:47,550
on, OK?
So the system has to account for

882
00:51:47,550 --> 00:51:50,710
that.
And as it turns out, the humans

883
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:54,630
were kind of laggy.
They weren't doing very well.

884
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:56,470
They're kind of laggy.
So yeah, there's all kinds of

885
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:59,750
things going on that we, our
consciousness, is unaware of O.

886
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:05,950
K Our consciousness is a is a
player of an avatar.

887
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:11,190
OK, so you know, look at it this
way.

888
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:14,310
When you play a game, when you
play Sims or something, you're

889
00:52:14,310 --> 00:52:16,350
the player.
You are that character's

890
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:18,470
consciousness.
Your Sims character doesn't do

891
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:20,590
anything if you don't tell it to
do something right.

892
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:25,270
You make all of its choices.
OK, so you log on, and when you

893
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:29,070
log on, the system starts
showing you pictures of your

894
00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:31,270
character and you get to make
choices.

895
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:32,670
What you want your character to
do.

896
00:52:32,670 --> 00:52:35,470
Stand up, sit down, get a beer
out of the refrigerator.

897
00:52:35,470 --> 00:52:38,840
You know, whatever you want it
to do, you have to tell it to do

898
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,320
that with your joystick and your
keyboard and your mouse and

899
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,040
whatever tools you have to to do
that.

900
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,280
You tell it what you want it to
do.

901
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,720
So then you go tell the
computer, hey, I want it to

902
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,040
stand up, so the computer sends
back a picture of it standing

903
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,640
up.
All right, so that's that's the

904
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,240
way the system works.
Now, from the viewpoint of The

905
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,840
Sims character, The Sims
character feels like it's in a

906
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,510
SIM world.
Right from the viewpoint of The

907
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:10,070
Sims character, it's in a
physical world.

908
00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:16,030
From the viewpoint of of Kevin
and and Tom's bodies, we live in

909
00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:19,870
this physical world.
And from the viewpoint of the

910
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:24,510
Avatar that lives in a physical
world, there's trees and water

911
00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:28,190
and streams and houses and
people and whatever in that

912
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:32,190
physical world.
And the player and the computer

913
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:35,920
are both non physical relative
to the perspective from inside

914
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,040
that virtual world.
All right, so here we are our

915
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,080
bodies, we think they're
physical.

916
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,800
We live in this virtual reality.
Consciousness is nonphysical to

917
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,720
us.
The consciousness system, the

918
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:53,240
computer that that creates this
is nonphysical to us, the player

919
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,040
us.
You know, I'm really an

920
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,600
individuated unit of
consciousness.

921
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,480
I'm not this body.
I'm just logged on to this body

922
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,450
and I'm playing it, Okay.
So once you get that, that idea,

923
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:09,250
you know, there's a whole lot of
things that change in the way we

924
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:12,810
see reality.
Like, for instance, the reality,

925
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:15,850
the virtual reality only exists
in the minds of the players.

926
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:21,090
Okay, that's a that's a fact.
There is no virtual reality

927
00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:23,410
where little, you know, elves
and things are running around.

928
00:54:23,410 --> 00:54:25,450
It only exists in the minds of
the players.

929
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:29,530
All right, so there's a reason
of why there's this thing called

930
00:54:30,610 --> 00:54:37,610
the the what is it the, you
know, the paradox where with the

931
00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:40,050
double slit experiment, a
consciousness has to be

932
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:45,170
involved.
The observation paradox you know

933
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:48,770
there well, because in the
virtual reality, to put

934
00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:51,370
something inside this virtual
reality has to come in through

935
00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:53,960
the mind of a player.
If it doesn't come in through

936
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,440
the mind of a player, then it
doesn't get to be here because

937
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,000
it only exists in the minds of
the players, you see.

938
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,840
So that tells you why that
happens.

939
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,600
It also tells you that everybody
lives in their own reality.

940
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:13,800
There isn't a reality out there.
That is the reality that we all

941
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,520
live in that doesn't exist.
The reality is.

942
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,140
In our minds, it's a data stream
that our consciousness gets, and

943
00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:26,820
it interprets that data stream.
And how it interprets that data

944
00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:30,300
stream is based on its own
understanding, its own history,

945
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:33,900
its own ignorance, its own fear.
All those things go into it.

946
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:37,780
It interprets the data, and that
is the reality.

947
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:42,420
So you're you live in a
different reality that I do, you

948
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:45,020
see?
We don't really live in some

949
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:50,420
physical reality out there that
is independent of us.

950
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:58,000
Physical reality is is us.
Interpreting the data stream

951
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,120
that we get.
So now you have these things

952
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,760
like what a Mandela Effect,
right, where people say, well,

953
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,160
this used to be that way and
that used to be this way and

954
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,160
let's see things change.
And well guys, there is no

955
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,280
reality out there that used to
be any which way.

956
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:20,350
The reality is in consciousness.
The data exchange between the

957
00:56:20,350 --> 00:56:23,630
consciousness that's playing the
computer and the consciousness

958
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,110
that's you that you're a piece
of.

959
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:32,590
So it explains a lot of events.
A lot of things we see now

960
00:56:32,590 --> 00:56:36,190
suddenly have explanations that
they didn't have before.

961
00:56:36,190 --> 00:56:39,030
All the things that used to be
paranormal, now they're just

962
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:40,710
normal.
It's just a part of

963
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:43,150
consciousness.
And you realize that everything

964
00:56:43,150 --> 00:56:47,310
paranormal takes place in the
intuitive side of consciousness.

965
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:51,770
Consciousness has two paths.
It processes information,

966
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:53,650
intuity side and intellectual
side.

967
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:58,330
Intellectual side uses logic,
Intuity side uses intuition.

968
00:56:58,330 --> 00:57:00,130
It's non logical.
It's beyond logic.

969
00:57:00,970 --> 00:57:06,450
There's information available
out there because the rendering

970
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:09,690
engine that creates this reality
has to have certain databases

971
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:13,170
available as it needs the data
it computes.

972
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:16,730
This thing called a probable
future reality or the probable

973
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:18,950
future.
The future's not a done deal,

974
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:23,030
but there's a probable future
because a.

975
00:57:23,070 --> 00:57:24,990
Reality.
This is another thing, you know,

976
00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:28,230
if we, when people think about a
virtual reality, they think of

977
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:30,150
something that's computed from
the ground up.

978
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:33,270
Well, a virtual reality, you'd
have to compute subatomic

979
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:36,190
particles, which then would make
up the atomic particles, which

980
00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:38,470
then would make up the
molecules, which would then make

981
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:40,870
up the, you know, the the macro
world.

982
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:43,430
Well, no, that's ridiculous.
It's too hard.

983
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:46,470
It doesn't work that way.
There's too much you know to do

984
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:48,950
there.
It's.

985
00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:53,870
That would be an extremely
stupid way to do the.

986
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:59,230
To do the computing.
You know, if you were a computer

987
00:57:59,230 --> 00:58:01,870
scientist, that's not how you
choose to do it at all.

988
00:58:01,870 --> 00:58:04,710
That was, that would be.
Even if you could do it, that

989
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:09,030
would be horrendously wasteful.
Can't do it, but if you could,

990
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:11,030
it would be very wasteful.
So what do you do?

991
00:58:11,350 --> 00:58:14,190
Well, you take those rule set.
You got the rule set which

992
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:18,910
defines how everything works.
You can create some samples,

993
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:22,750
calculations from that rule set
about how things work, and you

994
00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:26,670
can create probability
distributions about how things

995
00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:30,110
work.
And my my example I tend to use

996
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:33,070
because it's so simple, is that
look at an old Civil War cannon

997
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:35,030
and it's a real simple thing,
right?

998
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:37,430
It's a it's a cylinder, you
know, and at the end of the

999
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:40,190
cylinder you put something that
burns fast down to it.

1000
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:43,350
You roll a ball in it, you know,
on top of where the stuff that

1001
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:46,230
burns fast and you light the
Wick and the stuff burns has

1002
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:48,670
creates pressure and the
pressure pushes the ball out the

1003
00:58:48,670 --> 00:58:52,030
other end.
It's a real simple tool.

1004
00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:55,110
It's a real simple thing.
All right, well, to compute that

1005
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:58,270
from the time from the subatomic
particles, up's impossible.

1006
00:58:58,550 --> 00:59:02,110
Even that simple machine would
probably take all the world

1007
00:59:02,110 --> 00:59:06,340
supercomputers of, you know, a
month just to get one ball out

1008
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:08,300
of the tube.
There's so much going on there.

1009
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:11,660
There's so many molecules, so
many atoms, so many whatever,

1010
00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:16,530
that's stupid to try to do that.
So what you do is you take the

1011
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:19,330
rule set that defines that
cannon, you know the the the

1012
00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:22,330
stuff it's made of.
You know the imperfections.

1013
00:59:22,330 --> 00:59:24,490
It's not really a perfect
cylinder.

1014
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:26,930
The ball's not really a perfect
sphere.

1015
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:29,410
The powder doesn't burn all at
once.

1016
00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:33,170
It burns in some random pattern
and you know you got all the

1017
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:36,250
stuff going on and the the
barrel gets hot and after it

1018
00:59:36,250 --> 00:59:39,730
gets hot it changes its
characteristics and shape and

1019
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:42,250
all sorts of things are going on
here.

1020
00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:46,090
So you do all of that when the
rules set.

1021
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:50,410
Look at the variables, heat, how
many, how many balls have been

1022
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:52,570
fired.
You know all this stuff and you

1023
00:59:52,570 --> 00:59:54,410
turn it into a probability
distribution.

1024
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:58,050
Now okay a cannon's fired like
the Wick, boom.

1025
00:59:58,450 --> 01:00:01,210
You put the ball there, you go
into a you go into a

1026
01:00:01,210 --> 01:00:06,490
distribution of all the places
that the that the cannonball are

1027
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:09,090
likely to go and the probability
they're likely to go there.

1028
01:00:09,810 --> 01:00:12,770
So that's a.
That's a probability to be a

1029
01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:15,530
probability distribution of the
possibilities.

1030
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:18,610
Now you could make.
Up your own.

1031
01:00:18,610 --> 01:00:21,650
Let's say you had a can and then
you fired 100,000 times, and

1032
01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:23,530
then you go out and measure
where all the balls are.

1033
01:00:23,570 --> 01:00:25,810
You go collect your 100,000
balls and measure where they

1034
01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:28,330
landed and from where all those
balls landed.

1035
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:30,770
You create a probability
distribution, right?

1036
01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:32,850
Well, you can do this in
software as well.

1037
01:00:32,850 --> 01:00:34,970
You can just take the rule set
and do that.

1038
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:37,450
And it only takes microseconds
because you're a very fast

1039
01:00:37,450 --> 01:00:39,880
computer, and you can compute
that.

1040
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,840
Now you've got this probability
distribution.

1041
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,360
So now you got a civil war going
on, and there's 10,000 cannons

1042
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,800
going off all over the place.
And all you have to do is take a

1043
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,480
random draw from a probability
distribution of the

1044
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,600
possibilities.
And that's where you place the

1045
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,560
ball.
That's where the wall hit.

1046
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,960
You see now that is much, much
faster.

1047
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:08,260
Than trying to do a bottoms up
for all 10,000 cannons all going

1048
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:10,580
off at the you know, trying to
do that all from the bottoms up

1049
01:01:10,580 --> 01:01:14,300
is ridiculous.
So you make models and you can

1050
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:19,780
have very good models because
you have the rule set which is

1051
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:22,060
mostly deterministic.
The rule set's mostly

1052
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,100
deterministic.
So you can make these models as

1053
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:29,260
accurate as you want up to as
many decimal places as you want

1054
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:32,100
up to the.
Again, the, you know, how much

1055
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:37,040
accuracy do you need in a civil
War can And if I if I just made

1056
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,160
the ball go here and that was
only accurate to 1 decimal

1057
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,320
place, who would know?
There's not a bunch of Civil War

1058
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,000
guys out there saying, oh, that
ball landed in the wrong place,

1059
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,520
you know, I mean, the ball lands
where the ball lands and you go

1060
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,920
play, right?
It's it doesn't matter.

1061
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,560
So you don't have to have
everything really precise.

1062
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,720
It's to be used rather than.
Completely.

1063
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,020
Exactly so.
So you have this reality that

1064
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:09,340
that has to be done in terms of
probability, because to do it

1065
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:13,420
any other way is a is a dumb
choice from the computer science

1066
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:16,580
viewpoint.
And you have everything you need

1067
01:02:16,580 --> 01:02:20,140
to make those those probability
distributions.

1068
01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:23,620
You've got the rule set, you
know how everything works, you

1069
01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:26,500
say, and you are simulating it.
You know what all the

1070
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:31,310
possibilities are, so you.
You have those tools.

1071
01:02:31,470 --> 01:02:35,190
So that's why our reality, our
virtual reality is based on

1072
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:37,790
probability.
It's because that's the only

1073
01:02:37,790 --> 01:02:41,350
thing that makes makes sense now
with a, with a.

1074
01:02:42,070 --> 01:02:45,230
And I guess I'll make this
point, If you had something that

1075
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:49,510
went from the ground up, you see
you have a way of knowing what's

1076
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:52,910
going to happen next.
I know where everything is now.

1077
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:55,550
I know the dynamics of
everything, so I know where

1078
01:02:55,550 --> 01:02:57,810
everything's going to be next,
all right?

1079
01:02:57,810 --> 01:03:00,850
But now you have a probability
based reality.

1080
01:03:00,850 --> 01:03:02,370
You don't know what's going to
be next.

1081
01:03:03,330 --> 01:03:10,130
You see, you don't have that.
That material, Yeah.

1082
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:12,970
All that connectedness.
You know, you don't have that

1083
01:03:12,970 --> 01:03:15,970
anymore.
So the way the system determines

1084
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:20,010
it is it takes a random draw
from a probability distribution

1085
01:03:20,010 --> 01:03:22,770
of the possibilities.
And that's what happens next.

1086
01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:29,480
So for.
Instance, take a take a take a

1087
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,080
scientist who's got a telescope
and it's better than any

1088
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:52,390
telescopes ever been before.
And now what's he going to see?

1089
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,200
And he's going to look through
it and he's going to see more

1090
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,680
than anybody's ever seen before.
So what is it he's going to see?

1091
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,480
Well, one thing is all the
things that telescopes have seen

1092
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:49,560
in the past, they kind of say
what's possible to some extent.

1093
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,670
They define what's.
He's going to see out further.

1094
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:55,870
OK, so you look at all the
things.

1095
01:03:55,870 --> 01:03:59,110
Now the system knows, because
the system has all the rule sets

1096
01:03:59,110 --> 01:04:01,750
and knows how you know, knows
where everything is, right?

1097
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:04,910
It's computing everything.
So it says what are the

1098
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:08,150
possibilities and what are the
probabilities of those

1099
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:12,670
possibilities take.
That random draw.

1100
01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:16,550
And that's what that guy sees.
He sees that.

1101
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:20,970
Now if that guy.
So wow, great.

1102
01:04:20,970 --> 01:04:22,850
Here's my picture.
I just took it and I'm going to

1103
01:04:22,850 --> 01:04:26,370
publish it.
And the house caves in on him

1104
01:04:26,370 --> 01:04:28,130
and he dies and a picture gets
destroyed.

1105
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:30,930
And another scientist says,
okay, well, I'll rebuild it.

1106
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:33,130
And he takes a look at exactly
same place.

1107
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:34,650
Will he see exactly the same
thing?

1108
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:37,570
Not necessarily.
There'll be another random draw

1109
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:42,210
from a probability distribution,
and he'll see, but he'll see.

1110
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:46,050
Now, once he sees it and he does
publish it, anybody else looks

1111
01:04:46,050 --> 01:04:47,890
there.
They have to see the same thing

1112
01:04:47,890 --> 01:04:51,570
because that's now been part of
the virtue of that It's come in

1113
01:04:51,570 --> 01:04:55,490
through the mind of a player and
now everybody, you know, sees

1114
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:58,130
the same tree planted in the
same place in the same yard,

1115
01:04:58,130 --> 01:05:00,090
right?
You have to, you have to have

1116
01:05:00,090 --> 01:05:02,570
that consistency.
So that's the way it works.

1117
01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:07,570
So it's suddenly, you know, it
changes the whole way we look at

1118
01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:14,090
reality and and the way that we
see how things work.

1119
01:05:14,370 --> 01:05:18,620
And it solves a lot of
philosophical puzzles, too, You

1120
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:21,700
know, It tells you the big, the
big battle for what?

1121
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:26,220
For millennia, Over material.
Well, what Materialism.

1122
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:29,500
They called it the realism
versus idealism.

1123
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:34,220
Well, idealism's it, guys.
Realism, realism, doesn't do it,

1124
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:36,500
you know.
So it settles, it settles those

1125
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:39,860
kinds of of arguments.
So, you know, So what do you

1126
01:05:39,860 --> 01:05:42,180
get?
So why, you know, what's the

1127
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:44,340
point?
Well, the point is it's better

1128
01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:46,580
science.
It's better understanding.

1129
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:50,490
You understand your world and
and and how your world works

1130
01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:53,650
much better than you used to.
You've gotten rid of all your

1131
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:57,090
your paradoxes.
You understand how things

1132
01:05:57,090 --> 01:05:59,210
happen.
You know, You understand that

1133
01:05:59,210 --> 01:06:01,010
the consciousness is
nonphysical.

1134
01:06:01,570 --> 01:06:04,850
From our perspective here, it's
not a physical thing.

1135
01:06:04,850 --> 01:06:08,930
It's a nonphysical thing.
And you understand that space.

1136
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:13,290
You know well, where is it?
If it's not here, where is it?

1137
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:18,610
Well, it's not a good question.
Where is a you know is a you got

1138
01:06:18,610 --> 01:06:21,530
in your head a 3D space
viewpoint?

1139
01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:25,410
It's somewhere in space.
Well, no, space isn't a real

1140
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:27,210
thing.
Space is a computed thing.

1141
01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:31,210
Consciousness is.
The real thing, the only thing

1142
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:34,770
that's real, everything else is
a virtual reality.

1143
01:06:34,770 --> 01:06:37,580
A lot of people like that most.
Where is it?

1144
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:40,100
And what is it?
But I feel like a good question

1145
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:43,860
is also like, why is it, Tom,
from from this perspective and

1146
01:06:43,860 --> 01:06:46,100
this theory of this virtual
reality?

1147
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:50,020
Is there a teleological
perspective coming through here?

1148
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:53,780
Absolutely.
Why is it OK?

1149
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:58,900
See, what I do in my book is I
start with the smallest possible

1150
01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:02,020
piece of consciousness.
OK, we said consciousness is

1151
01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:04,940
awareness to the choice.
So here's a simple little

1152
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:09,070
awareness and it only has a
choice that's that's it can be

1153
01:07:09,070 --> 01:07:11,910
in state A or state B.
That's it.

1154
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:15,710
I mean if it could be in.
State A or state A, then that's

1155
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:17,630
not a choice.
It has.

1156
01:07:17,710 --> 01:07:20,150
Yeah, that's the smallest, the
simplest choice you can actually

1157
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:23,030
get down to, right?
It can be in state one or state

1158
01:07:23,030 --> 01:07:26,630
zero, you know, that's that
binary is the simplest choice

1159
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:28,750
that you can have of an
awareness.

1160
01:07:28,750 --> 01:07:32,710
All right, so that's my basic
consciousness sale, if you like.

1161
01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:40,230
Now if you look at consciousness
as a as a system as, and you say

1162
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:42,910
consciousness is really
conscious is an information

1163
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:46,110
system, right?
It deals with information.

1164
01:07:46,310 --> 01:07:50,470
It gets input.
It such as that input.

1165
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:54,790
It makes choices based on that
input, all right, based on the

1166
01:07:54,790 --> 01:07:56,870
assessment.
So if we have a consciousness

1167
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:59,870
system, and that's an
information system, how do

1168
01:07:59,870 --> 01:08:03,920
information systems evolve?
OK, assume you have an

1169
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,520
information system and all the
bits are random.

1170
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:10,960
It's not really an information
system.

1171
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:08,920
Well, there's no information in
that.

1172
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,480
It's just the potential
information system.

1173
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,640
If you order some of those bits,
now you've created information

1174
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,479
because those ordered bits could
stand for something.

1175
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:25,399
You could say, all right, I want
that to stand for, you know the

1176
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,430
number two.
I would like that to stand for

1177
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:30,830
this or that.
I want this to stand for when I

1178
01:08:30,830 --> 01:08:33,670
feel happy and I want this to
stand for when I feel sad.

1179
01:08:33,950 --> 01:08:36,029
You know, you can give it
whatever you want.

1180
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:40,630
You can give it meaning if you
have something there other than

1181
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:45,350
randomness.
So information systems evolve by

1182
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:51,149
lowering their entropy, by
creating order out of disorder

1183
01:08:51,270 --> 01:08:52,990
creating order out of
randomness.

1184
01:08:53,470 --> 01:08:55,600
Patient.
Now that's what they do.

1185
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,800
So I'll start with my one little
cell.

1186
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,279
So how does it?
How does it evolve?

1187
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,840
It's evolved, it's, it's
conscious.

1188
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,640
It's aware.
It can be in A or B.

1189
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,120
How does it evolve?
It could say, well, now I'm in A

1190
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,640
and now I'm still in A, and now
I'm in B and now I'm in A and

1191
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,200
now I'm in B.
Well, that's A A A/B, A/B, you

1192
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,800
know, it's made something.
It's a pattern.

1193
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,319
So we could create patterns.
It can create patterns of

1194
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,779
patterns.
It then if it says, well you

1195
01:09:23,779 --> 01:09:26,899
know if I can just be in A, if I
can take one of these states A

1196
01:09:26,939 --> 01:09:30,260
and B here on the side and I'll
just flip that back and forth

1197
01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:32,540
A/B, A/B, A/B.
Well now I have a clock.

1198
01:09:32,939 --> 01:09:37,620
I've made myself a little clock
and now I can have sequences of

1199
01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:39,819
patterns of patterns of
sequences.

1200
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:44,380
And the more order I give it,
the more complex it is.

1201
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:51,109
Then you know the the more you
know, the bigger are the ideas,

1202
01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:54,670
the more it could stand for.
So now it could obviously come

1203
01:09:54,670 --> 01:09:56,430
up with arithmetic rather
easily.

1204
01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:59,990
You know it's it's a.
It's an A and an A, or a B and a

1205
01:09:59,990 --> 01:10:02,230
B.
And if it's two A's and two B's,

1206
01:10:02,230 --> 01:10:05,070
that's four things.
Or it's two A's and +2 B's.

1207
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:09,870
You know, arithmetic would
follow very easily from that

1208
01:10:09,870 --> 01:10:13,230
sort of a thing.
It's just natural arithmetic

1209
01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:15,190
would be a natural thing.
So math would be one of the

1210
01:10:15,190 --> 01:10:18,510
first things that it would learn
to understand.

1211
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:21,150
You know it, you know when you
get down to it.

1212
01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:25,990
Computers aren't so much
brilliant about advanced math as

1213
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:29,890
they are really good at adding.
You know they they they're

1214
01:10:29,890 --> 01:10:32,890
basically adding machines that
can add very, very quickly.

1215
01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:37,130
So if you if you crunch it down
to what's actually going on down

1216
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:40,450
at the down at the guts of the
computer, mostly you got a fast

1217
01:10:40,450 --> 01:10:44,010
adding machine there that makes
it look like it's multiplying,

1218
01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:47,330
dividing, doing integrals and
differential equations and

1219
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:51,210
everything else.
But it's doing it, you know, add

1220
01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:56,260
adding, you know is is is the
root thing that it's doing,

1221
01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:58,980
adding positive and negative
things together.

1222
01:10:58,980 --> 01:11:03,540
So adding and subtracting.
So anyhow, so you get this thing

1223
01:11:03,540 --> 01:11:08,500
and it learns math and it learns
things and it it makes little

1224
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:13,660
symbols and patterns that it
likes and has meaning for it.

1225
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:15,420
OK.
It's a consciousness.

1226
01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:18,060
It's aware.
So it it gives meaning to those

1227
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:25,630
things and it evolves then to
have more and more complex and

1228
01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:28,870
more interesting and more
meaningful patterns.

1229
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:31,590
Now meaningful.
It's not just bigger and more

1230
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:34,270
complicated.
So that could just get bigger

1231
01:11:34,270 --> 01:11:36,550
and complicated just for the
fact of getting bigger and

1232
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:38,230
complicated.
That's not the point.

1233
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:40,550
The point is this.
It has to have meaning.

1234
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:44,950
It has to have significance, not
just complication for the sake

1235
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:48,310
of order.
It has to have significance.

1236
01:11:48,670 --> 01:11:53,390
So that lowers its entropy.
So it keeps doing that and

1237
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:58,390
eventually it gets to a.
You know, it gets to a place

1238
01:11:58,390 --> 01:12:01,990
where it's not evolving so fast
anymore because it's kind of

1239
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:05,110
done everything it can think of.
You know, it's it's worked the

1240
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:09,510
math out as much as it can use,
and it kind of stalls because

1241
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:13,830
it's just one monolithic thing.
Well, how do you get more

1242
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:17,030
novelty, more things to do, more
meaningful patterns?

1243
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:20,550
Well it's the same thing
ourselves.

1244
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:26,330
Did you know when we had the
single cells amoebas, well you

1245
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:30,770
have amoebas and they can only
do so much, but if you get cells

1246
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:33,890
that cooperate, now you get
multi celled things.

1247
01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:37,930
Now multi celled things can do
all kinds of stuff, you know and

1248
01:12:37,930 --> 01:12:41,050
now you got fish and jellyfish
and other stuff that are multi

1249
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:43,970
celled things And then they have
special cells that just do

1250
01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:48,130
digestion and just do locomotion
and special cells that are

1251
01:12:48,130 --> 01:12:52,510
sensors and you know special
cells that control all the rest

1252
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:55,910
of the special cells.
So you have cell differentiation

1253
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:59,110
and all of this is getting lower
and lower entropy, more and more

1254
01:12:59,110 --> 01:13:02,950
complexity, but it's also
getting more and more meaningful

1255
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:07,830
and significant and adjustable.
You know, when you have just one

1256
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:09,670
thing, well, there's so many
things you can do and you're

1257
01:13:09,670 --> 01:13:11,670
done.
When you have a lot of things

1258
01:13:11,670 --> 01:13:14,990
that can interact, well, the
you've got a lot more

1259
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:18,870
possibilities going on here.
So what does the consciousness

1260
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:21,790
thing do?
It takes a piece of itself and

1261
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:24,390
gives it free will because it
gives a choice.

1262
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:25,990
It's all right.
You go out there, make choice

1263
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:27,710
too.
Now these things can interact,

1264
01:13:28,350 --> 01:13:31,550
so then it makes a lot of those
things so they can interact and

1265
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:35,350
now the possibilities of what
they can become together, what

1266
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:38,230
kind of multi celled thing could
they create with all these

1267
01:13:38,230 --> 01:13:41,230
consciousness cells you see what
could they do.

1268
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:46,470
So now it becomes much greater
as far as its ability to evolve

1269
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:50,190
into more interesting lower
entropy states.

1270
01:13:50,710 --> 01:13:54,910
So it So what it does.
Just like biology did the same

1271
01:13:54,910 --> 01:13:57,950
thing and see I'm doing the
evolution and it follows the

1272
01:13:57,950 --> 01:14:00,270
same kind of evolution that
biology does.

1273
01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:01,870
Because these things are
obvious.

1274
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:04,510
When you're just the one thing
you can only do so much.

1275
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:07,390
When you're multiple things
working together, you can do

1276
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:11,950
more.
So anyhow it does that and

1277
01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:17,510
eventually these little pieces
of of of the larger system, I

1278
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:20,830
call them individuated units of
consciousness, That's what you

1279
01:14:20,830 --> 01:14:25,830
and I are and dogs and cats as
well are individuated units of

1280
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:30,830
consciousness playing avatars.
Okay the way that works.

1281
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:34,820
And and then you can say, well,
you know, how did we get there?

1282
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:37,740
You know, why?
Why build this virtual reality

1283
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:40,340
and and so on.
So there's real good answers.

1284
01:14:40,340 --> 01:14:44,180
You know, this is the theology,
teleology, you know, whatever

1285
01:14:44,180 --> 01:14:49,580
the word is you, you, yeah, you
get, you get this because all

1286
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:53,380
right, the system now is more
complex and it's got a lot of

1287
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:55,300
pieces.
Now these pieces you can think

1288
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:59,020
of, it's just subsets of itself,
a virtual machine within a

1289
01:14:59,020 --> 01:15:00,260
bigger machine.
Right.

1290
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,120
If you're a computer guy, then
you know what a virtual machine

1291
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,720
is.
It's just a a subset of a larger

1292
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,680
machine that looks like a little
computer in its own self, you

1293
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,040
know.
Well that's what these are.

1294
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:16,480
So all these I UO C's are just
virtual machines inside the the

1295
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:24,800
bigger, the bigger information
system and eventually of course

1296
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,360
you.
You make, you have to.

1297
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,170
You you need to make a virtual
reality so that these things can

1298
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:55,250
communicate with each other.
Based on a rule set?

1299
01:15:32,410 --> 01:15:35,370
Because if you just make them,
there's no language, there's no,

1300
01:15:35,650 --> 01:15:40,690
there's no vocabulary, syntax,
you know, none of that is done.

1301
01:15:40,690 --> 01:15:45,370
So the first virtual reality is
communication protocols.

1302
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:48,210
Now I call that a virtual
reality because the virtual

1303
01:15:48,210 --> 01:15:51,170
reality is defined as a reality
based on a rule set.

1304
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:57,210
It's an informational.
There's no rule set.

1305
01:15:57,210 --> 01:16:01,370
Then there's there isn't a
reality, you know, you have to

1306
01:16:01,370 --> 01:16:05,090
have a rule set to define the
context of the interactions of

1307
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:09,210
the these parts.
So the first virtual reality was

1308
01:16:09,210 --> 01:16:12,130
the system saying, well, I've
got all these Iuoc's now, but we

1309
01:16:12,130 --> 01:16:14,090
need to interact, we need to
communicate.

1310
01:16:14,530 --> 01:16:17,930
So the first virtual reality was
it created communication

1311
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:22,450
protocols, vocabulary, syntax.
Things that needed to interact,

1312
01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:26,370
And then after it had that, they
could all interact within this

1313
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:29,730
virtual reality.
But it's a virtual reality, so

1314
01:16:29,730 --> 01:16:32,850
they interact all right?
Growth.

1315
01:16:33,010 --> 01:16:35,690
Picks up again.
Evolution starts chugging

1316
01:16:35,690 --> 01:16:39,450
forward a little faster now, but
again, it it plateaus.

1317
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:43,130
And why does it plateau?
Because that virtual reality

1318
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:46,570
they're in, which is just the
communication definition of how

1319
01:16:46,570 --> 01:16:49,570
to communicate.
That's a very limited reality.

1320
01:16:50,170 --> 01:16:53,190
There's not a lot of
consequences to that reality.

1321
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:54,630
Okay.
You can decide who you

1322
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:58,470
communicate to or who you don't.
You can lie, you can tell

1323
01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:01,470
anybody anything you want, you
know, it's just it's like a chat

1324
01:17:01,470 --> 01:17:07,910
room with with no rules.
So it's not, it doesn't have the

1325
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:11,830
experiences that really
challenge the possibilities of

1326
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:14,670
these pieces.
So they're limited in that kind

1327
01:17:14,670 --> 01:17:18,470
of a virtual reality.
So the system says, well, I need

1328
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:21,070
a different virtual reality.
I need a virtual reality that

1329
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:26,960
creates choices.
That are more meaningful, more

1330
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,240
significant that have that help
us evolve by lowering our

1331
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,280
entropy.
Now there's two big.

1332
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,840
Things going on here.
Two big points to make.

1333
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,840
One is that by now they have a
social system, right?

1334
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,440
Consciousness has become not
just a monolithic system.

1335
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,560
A consciousness has become a
bunch of consciousness, a social

1336
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,080
system.
If you have a social system,

1337
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,600
this so how?
Does a social system.

1338
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,160
Now that's the that's
consciousness now is the social

1339
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,720
system.
What's the obvious way to lower

1340
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,400
entropy in in in this system of
consciousness, the social

1341
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,200
system?
Well, if you've got a bunch of

1342
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:15,640
interacting pieces, the way you
lower entropy is by those pieces

1343
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:21,410
cooperating by those pieces,
working together, daring, caring

1344
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:24,250
about each other.
You know, if that the opposite

1345
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:27,970
of that, which is high entropy,
as if those pieces are all just

1346
01:18:27,970 --> 01:18:30,330
out for themselves and don't
give a damn about anybody else.

1347
01:18:30,330 --> 01:18:33,290
You know if if they think up
something nifty, they keep it

1348
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:37,090
for themselves.
There's no trust, there's no

1349
01:18:38,410 --> 01:18:42,890
there's no need to get together
or to work together or to build

1350
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:46,050
anything.
It's just, you see, so then we

1351
01:18:46,050 --> 01:18:49,720
have this idea that what
consciousness needs to do and

1352
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,920
the the big, the big outcome of
making all these individual

1353
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,400
units of consciousness as you
create the social system and

1354
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,760
consciousness that has to
cooperate in order to make a

1355
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,960
bigger, greater thing out of
itself.

1356
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:08,240
OK, so that sets the OK, what's
the driving force here?

1357
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,360
Cooperation, caring, learning.
I put that over on the love

1358
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,480
side.
OK, becoming love, caring about

1359
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:20,810
each other, optimizing what we
can do together as opposed to us

1360
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:22,170
all just fighting with each
other.

1361
01:19:22,970 --> 01:19:30,370
All right, so so now it has a
way to lower its entropy, is to

1362
01:19:30,370 --> 01:19:33,850
cooperate, but it still needs to
lower this entropy.

1363
01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:37,730
So it still needs a virtual
reality in which these choices

1364
01:19:37,730 --> 01:19:41,570
that bring it toward cooperation
and caring and whatever take

1365
01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:45,130
place so it has you can
experience those things.

1366
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,320
So that's when the system says,
well, look, I'll get this, this

1367
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,640
set initial conditions and I'll
come up with some rules and I'll

1368
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,440
run it.
And when it bombs, I'll adjust

1369
01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:59,000
it and I'll run it and when it
bombs, I'll adjust it until

1370
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,480
eventually it gets this virtual
reality.

1371
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,160
That's the one we live in.
We live in this virtual reality.

1372
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,240
And it was evolved for
consciousness to interactive.

1373
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,600
So it was designed for us.
Yes.

1374
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:19,110
And it did take a whole lot of
iterations before it was stable

1375
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:25,950
enough to evolve all the things
that it evolved so that then you

1376
01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:27,950
see it gives us.
A Why?

1377
01:20:28,230 --> 01:20:30,310
That answers the why.
Why are we doing this?

1378
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:36,230
Well, because the the the
information system has only two

1379
01:20:36,230 --> 01:20:40,230
choices.
It can evolve, become more more

1380
01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:44,350
useful, more interesting, more
fun, more stuff going on, you

1381
01:20:44,350 --> 01:20:49,270
know, learning, growing.
Or it can de evolve and end up

1382
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:53,830
all the bits are random, which
means death for the information

1383
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:56,110
system.
So just like anything else

1384
01:20:56,110 --> 01:20:57,950
that's evolving, it's evolve or
die.

1385
01:20:58,470 --> 01:21:01,070
Those are basically your
choices.

1386
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:04,430
So the system wants to evolve.
It doesn't want to turn out to

1387
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:07,830
be a bunch of random bits.
So it would like to evolve, and

1388
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:10,870
it has ways that it can help
itself do that.

1389
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:14,070
And one is to build this new
virtual reality wherein there

1390
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:17,310
are choices that are very
meaningful.

1391
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:20,670
So it creates this virtual
reality we call the physical

1392
01:21:20,670 --> 01:21:23,510
universe.
It's got all kinds of.

1393
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:26,550
Creatures that have grown up in
it and the system's played all

1394
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:30,230
of them, like all Npc's for a
while, but eventually it says

1395
01:21:30,230 --> 01:21:33,470
OK, here you I UOC, you start
making the choices for this

1396
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:36,000
piece.
You know, log on and make that

1397
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,000
piece's choices.
I'll stop making that piece's

1398
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,960
choices.
And it got the I UO C's to log

1399
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,640
on.
Make the choices of the pieces.

1400
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:48,160
And those pieces, of course,
were us, you know, humans, Homo

1401
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:53,760
sapiens, Neanderthals, you know,
Saber toothed tigers and shaggy

1402
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,520
woolly mammoths and things like
that.

1403
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,080
And we all were interacting with
each other.

1404
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,600
And how do we, you know, how do
we grow?

1405
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,700
By the choices.
And our choices now are life and

1406
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:05,860
death.
You know, I'm hungry.

1407
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:08,060
My family's hungry.
We're starving to death.

1408
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:09,780
But look at those people.
They've got food.

1409
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:12,660
Well, I'm bigger than they are.
I'm just going to slap them and

1410
01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:15,860
take their food, you know, Is is
that a good thing to do or do I

1411
01:22:15,860 --> 01:22:18,140
ask them if I can join them?
And could I please share a

1412
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:20,660
little bit and I'd help, you
know, I'd work with them.

1413
01:22:20,660 --> 01:22:23,460
Or how do I approach that?
So there's all these choices.

1414
01:22:23,780 --> 01:22:27,700
And by these choices we evolve
or de evolve the quality of our

1415
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:30,860
consciousness.
Quality of consciousness means

1416
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:36,060
lower entropy is higher quality.
It's important to note cuz I

1417
01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:37,780
noticed a.
Lot of people, sorry for cutting

1418
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:39,140
you off there, Tom.
I noticed there's a bit of a

1419
01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:42,620
lag, by the way, so I might need
your recording of this after

1420
01:22:42,620 --> 01:22:44,820
we're done.
So if I ever do interrupt you,

1421
01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:46,260
there seems to be a bit of a
lag.

1422
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:49,780
What's There's such an irony
here, knowing that we're talking

1423
01:22:49,780 --> 01:22:52,200
about lags.
And systems within a virtual

1424
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,160
world and today of all day seem
to be having some sort of a

1425
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,120
technical issue.
There's a massive, massive storm

1426
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,520
outside just I think that's the
main reason.

1427
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,960
But I wanted to ask you about
this, this system, OK, this,

1428
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,200
this virtual world that we're
living in.

1429
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,920
It's important because you
mentioned love as this, as this

1430
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,160
core factor as to how to get
things together.

1431
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,160
And I think it's important to
acknowledge that you're not

1432
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,040
saying this in that and that
almost.

1433
01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:21,740
Wishy washy way and it's it's
very much a very scientific

1434
01:23:21,740 --> 01:23:23,340
observation from your
perspective, because you're

1435
01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:26,020
talking about love here in a
very cooperative manner.

1436
01:23:26,020 --> 01:23:29,540
For cooperation evolves,
complexity and at this point

1437
01:23:29,540 --> 01:23:33,980
that's what you're referring to.
Not really this almost spiritual

1438
01:23:33,980 --> 01:23:37,780
sense of it, but rather there is
a scientific absolutely

1439
01:23:37,780 --> 01:23:39,540
construct.
Absolutely.

1440
01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:41,820
Matter of fact, he.
Even comes up with a scientific

1441
01:23:41,820 --> 01:23:46,390
way of defining love.
It's it's the it's the nature of

1442
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:52,710
a low entropy consciousness, You
know, that's yes.

1443
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:54,310
It is.
I mean, we're talking about

1444
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:56,870
cooperation.
Cooperation builds complexity.

1445
01:23:56,870 --> 01:24:00,350
Complexity is lower entropy,
lower entropy is evolution

1446
01:24:00,350 --> 01:24:04,310
rather than the evolution.
So see, that's now we just set

1447
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:08,550
the stage for all these things,
but see all the benefits we get

1448
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:11,310
from that, all kinds of
philosophical things just got,

1449
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,200
you know, just got answered that
have been hanging around for

1450
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:16,320
years.
Why are we here?

1451
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,960
Well, we're here to grow up,
come love, to evolve.

1452
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,440
You know, what's our purpose and
are we all really one?

1453
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,800
Well, yes, we're all part of the
same larger consciousness

1454
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,480
system, but we're also
individual, we're virtual

1455
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,840
machines.
So we have, you know, all the

1456
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,040
the same capabilities as the
larger system has except it's

1457
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:41,340
smaller, we have less capacity,
but all the same capabilities.

1458
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:45,060
So we can do all those things.
Can we get information from the

1459
01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:48,620
databases that the, that the
system uses to generate this

1460
01:24:48,620 --> 01:24:50,180
virtuality?
Sure we can.

1461
01:24:50,660 --> 01:24:55,660
You know those, you know, if you
go back in, in time where people

1462
01:24:55,660 --> 01:24:58,940
have figured this out, I mean
the Buddha 2500 years ago said

1463
01:24:58,940 --> 01:25:01,020
this physical reality is an
illusion.

1464
01:25:01,580 --> 01:25:04,590
Well, yeah.
So that's the same as saying

1465
01:25:04,590 --> 01:25:06,350
it's a virtual reality.
It's an illusion.

1466
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:09,870
It's not the real thing.
Or Plato in his cave saying it's

1467
01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:12,070
the shadows on the wall.
You know, that's what we think

1468
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:13,910
the reality is.
It's just the shadows on the

1469
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:16,470
wall, you know?
So we've had this, this, these

1470
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:18,350
arguments going on for a long
time.

1471
01:25:18,710 --> 01:25:20,830
And now you can understand.
Exactly.

1472
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:25,710
Yeah, I got it.
You know, okay shadows on the

1473
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:28,700
wall, you know, but that's not
very satisfying.

1474
01:25:28,740 --> 01:25:32,140
You know, that's something
that's very abstract that you

1475
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:35,220
can't really do anything with.
But this actually makes all of

1476
01:25:35,220 --> 01:25:37,980
it kind of concrete.
Just, yeah, this is the way it

1477
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:39,260
works.
You have consciousness.

1478
01:25:39,260 --> 01:25:40,820
It's fundamental.
We're subsets of that

1479
01:25:40,820 --> 01:25:43,540
consciousness.
And here's, you know, we have

1480
01:25:43,540 --> 01:25:46,620
this virtual reality that was
created for us to play in so

1481
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:49,180
that we could make better.
You know, we could lower our

1482
01:25:49,180 --> 01:25:53,620
entropy through better choices.
The system would like to help us

1483
01:25:54,060 --> 01:25:57,620
do better because as we lower
our entropy, it's entropy is

1484
01:25:57,620 --> 01:26:00,420
lowered because we're it, you
know we're we're a part of it.

1485
01:26:00,980 --> 01:26:05,540
So it's wants to help us.
The system, you can think of it,

1486
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:08,940
did the system just instantly
become full of love?

1487
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:12,980
Now the system had to learn just
like we did when it got all of

1488
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:16,340
those I UO C's, you know, it
said Okay I UO C's.

1489
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:18,740
We're going to cooperate today.
Here's what we're going to do in

1490
01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:20,620
the I UO C's with three wheels
today.

1491
01:26:20,980 --> 01:26:23,180
Yeah forget it.
I'm going fishing.

1492
01:26:23,180 --> 01:26:24,700
You know I'm doing something
else.

1493
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:28,010
So what did the what did the
system say?

1494
01:26:28,610 --> 01:26:32,330
You guys get back here or I'm
going to, you know, take you

1495
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:34,970
apart.
It tried to bully them.

1496
01:26:35,170 --> 01:26:39,250
It tried to coerce them because
it hadn't grown up yet.

1497
01:26:39,770 --> 01:26:42,610
And it found out just through
trial and error that if you

1498
01:26:42,610 --> 01:26:44,730
bully and coerce you make
everything worse.

1499
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:48,010
If you had problems before you
get bigger problems.

1500
01:26:48,370 --> 01:26:51,410
That it has to be cooperation.
It has to be with pairing.

1501
01:26:51,850 --> 01:26:55,850
So the larger consciousness
system, learn to work with us,

1502
01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:58,290
learn that our free will was
sacred.

1503
01:26:58,330 --> 01:26:59,650
You don't mess with our free
will.

1504
01:26:59,650 --> 01:27:01,690
You know we have to make our own
choices.

1505
01:27:02,090 --> 01:27:05,410
It doesn't butt in.
So you have all these these

1506
01:27:05,410 --> 01:27:07,330
attributes and things that it
learn.

1507
01:27:08,170 --> 01:27:12,770
And there had one guy who was at
the Gonzaga University, he was

1508
01:27:12,770 --> 01:27:16,250
in charge of, I don't know,
Catholic studies or something

1509
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:18,620
like that.
And he says, oh, he says that

1510
01:27:18,620 --> 01:27:21,700
makes sense.
That's the Old Testament versus

1511
01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:24,220
the New Testament, the Old
Testament.

1512
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:27,980
You've got this angry, jealous
God that's going to turn you

1513
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:30,140
into pillars, assault if you
don't behave.

1514
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,140
And in the New Testament, it's
all about turning the other

1515
01:27:33,140 --> 01:27:36,100
cheek and being love and
cooperating and being a good,

1516
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:39,100
you know, being a good player
for the team.

1517
01:27:39,620 --> 01:27:42,900
So he says, well, that's
suddenly makes sense to me.

1518
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:48,610
And I said, yeah, well, that's
all our, you know, we we put

1519
01:27:48,610 --> 01:27:52,250
down, we register, we remember,
we tell stories.

1520
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:57,570
You know, that's part of of the
the human, what do we call maybe

1521
01:27:57,570 --> 01:28:02,010
archetype, the human mindset?
We have all that information in

1522
01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:04,090
there.
Yes, that's the way it started.

1523
01:28:04,090 --> 01:28:08,170
You know, me angry, jealous
gods, they were trying to bully

1524
01:28:08,170 --> 01:28:10,130
us.
And then it turns out that

1525
01:28:10,130 --> 01:28:15,410
that's really not the way it is,
that angry gods grow up and

1526
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:19,380
learn that love is the answer.
That's the way you have to deal

1527
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:21,100
with things if you want to
optimize.

1528
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:25,820
So all kinds of things just fall
out.

1529
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:30,180
You know, this, not this idea
that consciousness is invisible.

1530
01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:32,460
You know, like your your go out
of your body.

1531
01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:35,620
You're not in your body.
You know this.

1532
01:28:35,620 --> 01:28:39,300
Your body doesn't even have a
you know, there's no brain in

1533
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:41,260
here.
There's no heart in here, no

1534
01:28:41,260 --> 01:28:43,300
circuit, no blood running around
in here.

1535
01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:46,380
The system only has to model
what it what you see.

1536
01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:48,770
It doesn't have to model any
rest of that stuff.

1537
01:28:49,130 --> 01:28:51,610
But now if you go cut my head
open, it's going to have to

1538
01:28:51,610 --> 01:28:54,330
model a brain.
And if you go digging around in

1539
01:28:54,330 --> 01:28:56,690
the brain, it's going to have to
show the connections that the

1540
01:28:56,690 --> 01:28:59,930
rule set defines where all this
stuff evolved.

1541
01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:03,610
So if I'm in an automobile
accident and I have brain

1542
01:29:03,610 --> 01:29:07,970
injuries and I I slur my words,
I drag my left foot and I can't

1543
01:29:07,970 --> 01:29:12,610
remember anything, My
consciousness isn't damaged, but

1544
01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:16,850
my consciousness has to play
this character who drags his

1545
01:29:16,850 --> 01:29:18,730
foot, slurs his words and can't
remember.

1546
01:29:19,290 --> 01:29:21,650
You see, he has to play a
character like that and he's

1547
01:29:21,650 --> 01:29:23,330
limited in the things that he
can do.

1548
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:30,170
So it makes a it, it tells us
things like, you know, we have

1549
01:29:30,170 --> 01:29:32,530
had paranormal things around for
a long time.

1550
01:29:32,530 --> 01:29:36,130
Like the placebo effect.
It's a paranormal effect.

1551
01:29:36,490 --> 01:29:38,610
You know, you talk about
something and actually changes

1552
01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:42,770
your health.
You know, you you get more or

1553
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:45,330
less sick based on what the
doctor tells you.

1554
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:49,090
Well, that means that the mind
is affecting the physical body,

1555
01:29:49,090 --> 01:29:50,490
right?
That's a mind over matter.

1556
01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:52,530
It's a paranormal thing.
Well, how does that work?

1557
01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:55,890
Well, you find out that the your
intent modifies future

1558
01:29:55,890 --> 01:29:58,250
probability.
That's one of the ways the

1559
01:29:58,250 --> 01:30:02,130
system works.
So that explains why there's

1560
01:30:02,130 --> 01:30:05,050
that power of positive thinking.
You know, where did that come

1561
01:30:05,050 --> 01:30:07,250
from?
And that power of negative

1562
01:30:07,250 --> 01:30:11,410
thinking too, you know, it takes
you down on, down into a hole.

1563
01:30:12,140 --> 01:30:18,660
So all these things that we've
known about for ages for

1564
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:24,420
millennia suddenly have good
scientific, logical explanations

1565
01:30:24,660 --> 01:30:28,620
of why they work like that,
which means you can build more

1566
01:30:28,620 --> 01:30:31,380
on top of it, your
understanding.

1567
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:38,260
So like any big paradigm shifts,
this just starts kind of a an

1568
01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:41,220
evolution in greater
understanding as we work out the

1569
01:30:41,220 --> 01:30:43,620
logical consequences of what all
this means.

1570
01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:46,700
I've only worked out some of the
most obvious logical

1571
01:30:46,700 --> 01:30:49,940
consequences.
I'm sure there's lots more out

1572
01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:54,580
there that will be worked out,
you know later on by people.

1573
01:30:54,820 --> 01:30:59,380
So the the So what is a very big
So what you know, it kind of

1574
01:30:59,380 --> 01:31:01,740
changes everything.
It totally pulls science up at

1575
01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:05,740
its roots and and gives it a
different perspective.

1576
01:31:05,900 --> 01:31:10,140
Puts quantum mechanics as a
logical science, not a weird

1577
01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:13,820
science, you know explains a lot
of things, you know like the

1578
01:31:14,500 --> 01:31:16,700
like space-time you mentioned
quite a few.

1579
01:31:16,860 --> 01:31:18,220
Sorry, Tom, you mentioned.
Quite a few things there.

1580
01:31:18,220 --> 01:31:20,780
I just want to quickly before
before we move on from those,

1581
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:23,100
cuz there's so many things there
that I find very fascinating and

1582
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:25,260
I wanna touch on.
I'm just gonna leave these four

1583
01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:28,860
questions with you quickly just
in case I forget about it.

1584
01:31:29,020 --> 01:31:32,260
One is you mentioned the Old
Testament and New Testament and

1585
01:31:32,780 --> 01:31:34,620
I find it very fascinating the
way people.

1586
01:31:35,180 --> 01:31:37,380
Take your information in from
what you're talking about within

1587
01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:40,580
this Matrix, virtual world or
simulated reality, and then

1588
01:31:40,580 --> 01:31:43,220
people draw the conclusion that,
OK, this is proof that God

1589
01:31:43,220 --> 01:31:45,300
exists.
So I want to ask you actually,

1590
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:48,220
what are your religious views
and how do you feel when people

1591
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:51,220
take this information you
provide them and and draw very

1592
01:31:51,220 --> 01:31:54,420
religious conclusions?
Well, you know, I've had some of

1593
01:31:54,420 --> 01:31:57,060
those.
I've had some, I had some people

1594
01:31:57,060 --> 01:32:00,140
tell me things like, you know,
everywhere I go I carry two

1595
01:32:00,140 --> 01:32:06,070
books, you know, the Bible and
my big toe, you know, and and

1596
01:32:08,110 --> 01:32:10,230
the people.
Who of course my big toe has no

1597
01:32:10,230 --> 01:32:12,070
dogma associated with.
There's nothing you have to

1598
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:16,830
believe, you know it's it.
It does totally just science and

1599
01:32:16,830 --> 01:32:20,550
logic.
But you know, people will do

1600
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:22,670
with things.
Whatever people do with things,

1601
01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:24,390
you know you can't.
You can't help that.

1602
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:27,470
People are people and they have
always their own paths of

1603
01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:31,230
growing and that's fine.
So if somebody wants to say,

1604
01:32:31,230 --> 01:32:34,070
well, is the larger conscious
system really God?

1605
01:32:34,660 --> 01:32:38,060
Well, I don't use the God word
in my books anywhere.

1606
01:32:38,060 --> 01:32:43,540
I purposely avoid all of that
because well, depends, You know,

1607
01:32:43,540 --> 01:32:45,860
how you look at it.
You know what you think God is.

1608
01:32:45,860 --> 01:32:48,420
You know, most people have their
own definition there.

1609
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:53,700
And it is not perfect.
It's still evolving.

1610
01:32:53,780 --> 01:32:56,780
It's an evolving system.
It's not infinite.

1611
01:32:57,660 --> 01:33:00,460
It doesn't necessarily know
everything that's going on

1612
01:33:00,580 --> 01:33:04,740
everywhere, all the time.
It has to focus its attention to

1613
01:33:04,740 --> 01:33:07,420
different things, like we have
to focus our attention to

1614
01:33:07,420 --> 01:33:10,060
different things.
Okay, It's got more capacity

1615
01:33:10,060 --> 01:33:12,460
than we do.
But you know, no.

1616
01:33:12,460 --> 01:33:16,420
So it's not omniscient.
It's not, you know it.

1617
01:33:16,660 --> 01:33:20,060
It had a beginning.
You know it someplace we don't

1618
01:33:20,060 --> 01:33:22,010
know.
That's, you know, in my in my

1619
01:33:22,010 --> 01:33:23,410
book, I don't say it's
beginning.

1620
01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:26,290
So I I actually had an
interesting thing happened.

1621
01:33:26,290 --> 01:33:30,570
I was at a church because
churches are often free venues,

1622
01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:34,850
you know, so I was at this
church and it was in Atlanta.

1623
01:33:35,370 --> 01:33:38,850
It was a trying to think of the
name of it.

1624
01:33:38,850 --> 01:33:43,010
But anyway, I had two two people
there, a man and a woman, who

1625
01:33:43,010 --> 01:33:45,290
were both doctorates of
theology.

1626
01:33:45,970 --> 01:33:50,050
And they listened to my talk and
afterwards they were there.

1627
01:33:50,050 --> 01:33:54,490
And I called them up and and I
asked him, I said, well, you've

1628
01:33:54,490 --> 01:34:00,090
heard my talk about this.
You know, tell me, what if you,

1629
01:34:00,890 --> 01:34:04,130
if you had to list the
attributes of God, what would

1630
01:34:04,130 --> 01:34:06,250
you list?
I don't want any dogma.

1631
01:34:06,250 --> 01:34:07,690
I don't want anything that's
sectarian.

1632
01:34:07,690 --> 01:34:10,130
I just want what you think the
attributes of God are.

1633
01:34:10,570 --> 01:34:12,930
So they did.
They, they huddled off and and

1634
01:34:12,930 --> 01:34:15,210
we did some other things.
I answered some other questions.

1635
01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:19,870
We came back when they were done
and it was a Unity Church Okay.

1636
01:34:19,870 --> 01:34:22,550
They're a little more, they're a
little less dogmatic than the

1637
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:25,830
average church.
And what they came back with was

1638
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:29,870
a list and everything on their
list was also an attribute of

1639
01:34:29,870 --> 01:34:33,470
the larger consciousness system.
So, you know, I didn't know how

1640
01:34:33,470 --> 01:34:35,990
that would work out.
I was just curious that, you

1641
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:40,070
know, how it would work out.
But but the they were all

1642
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:42,030
attributes of the larger
conscious system.

1643
01:34:42,030 --> 01:34:45,470
So in their mind, the larger
conscious system was a good

1644
01:34:45,790 --> 01:34:51,920
model for God.
Now if you're more what

1645
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,840
fundamentalist of some sort and
have a lot of dogma and

1646
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,320
something then in my you know,
then the larger conscious system

1647
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:03,640
is not going to be your perfect
omniscient forever infinite, you

1648
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,440
know, etcetera.
Because it's none of those

1649
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:08,240
things.
It's finite.

1650
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:16,660
It's not perfect, it's evolving.
It's not done it, but so that

1651
01:35:16,660 --> 01:35:20,420
depends on who you are and what
you think God is and what God

1652
01:35:20,420 --> 01:35:25,100
means to you.
But in a way, this model also

1653
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:27,940
has answered a lot of
fundamental questions in

1654
01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:33,180
theology, because it it not just
answers physics questions and

1655
01:35:33,180 --> 01:35:36,180
physics paradoxes, but theology
as well.

1656
01:35:36,860 --> 01:35:42,860
It it does kind of fill that
function, you know.

1657
01:35:43,220 --> 01:35:48,530
But no, I never, I wouldn't call
it God and my own, my own

1658
01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:50,970
religious viewpoints.
This is sometime when I was

1659
01:35:50,970 --> 01:35:54,970
maybe 15 or 16, I gave up on
religion altogether as being

1660
01:35:54,970 --> 01:35:57,170
kind of a silly thing that
didn't make any sense.

1661
01:35:57,730 --> 01:36:00,690
I couldn't find the logic in it.
I've always been a kind of a

1662
01:36:00,690 --> 01:36:04,410
logic guy.
And as I got older and and

1663
01:36:04,410 --> 01:36:11,410
learned to be logical myself and
by the time I was in school and

1664
01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:16,460
and working in physics, I would
have called myself an atheist or

1665
01:36:16,460 --> 01:36:21,180
at best an agnostic.
Probably more likely to call

1666
01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:23,180
myself an atheist than an
agnostic.

1667
01:36:23,620 --> 01:36:28,340
And as I started working on my
big toe stuff, it was just it

1668
01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:31,180
made me laugh.
I had any number of of really

1669
01:36:31,180 --> 01:36:34,580
good laughs as I came to these
conclusions.

1670
01:36:34,580 --> 01:36:38,580
Like love is the answer, you
know, we're all one and I had to

1671
01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:41,180
laugh at myself and I'm saying
you know what?

1672
01:36:41,180 --> 01:36:44,520
You've done atheist is that you
are coming to the same

1673
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,600
conclusions that are at the
fundamental basis of most all of

1674
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,560
the you know, the the main
religions.

1675
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,320
That's what they're saying now.
They've got a lot of other young

1676
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:59,520
added to it where they've added
their own thing but is.

1677
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,120
But if you just look at the
basics of it, I've got a lot,

1678
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,720
you know, the Buddhists and I
agree on all kinds of things,

1679
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:12,210
you know, and even the
Christians and even the, you

1680
01:37:12,210 --> 01:37:19,010
know, I have a, a lady that
there's a follower of Mohammed.

1681
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:22,410
You know, Islam.
And she loves my big toe.

1682
01:37:22,410 --> 01:37:25,850
She thinks it's it's everything
that I say.

1683
01:37:25,850 --> 01:37:28,210
She says that's exactly what's
in the Quran.

1684
01:37:28,210 --> 01:37:30,170
You know, it's exactly, you
know, it's all there.

1685
01:37:30,170 --> 01:37:32,890
And people say, Tom, are you a
Tibetan Buddhist?

1686
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:36,120
I've been studying Tibetan
Buddhism for, you know, 20

1687
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:37,840
years.
And everything you say is just

1688
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,520
like the Tibetan Buddhist.
And I say, no, I'm not a Tibetan

1689
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,200
Buddhist or a Buddhist or any of
those things.

1690
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,120
And people will come up and say,
Tom, are you a cabalist?

1691
01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:48,800
What you say sounds just like
the Kabbalah.

1692
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,400
Tom, are you a, you know, a
shaming?

1693
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:55,160
You sound just like the shaming
of, you know, so I get this all

1694
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:59,240
the time where various religious
and other kinds of groups find

1695
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:04,260
themselves in my big toe because
my big toe is totally open.

1696
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:07,660
It's not, it's not exclusive in
any way.

1697
01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:10,540
They're just concepts.
Use them as you will, you know,

1698
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:13,580
do with them, do with them as
you want, you know, If they help

1699
01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:15,260
you understand the world better
than great.

1700
01:38:15,260 --> 01:38:17,860
If they don't, then ignore them,
you know, throw them away.

1701
01:38:18,260 --> 01:38:23,540
It's it's, yeah.
So I do run into that a lot.

1702
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:27,390
But yeah, I can imagine even
it's it's it's something that

1703
01:38:27,390 --> 01:38:28,870
I've I've.
Seen come up quite a lot.

1704
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:31,430
I mean I've I've seen people
like literally say you prove

1705
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:34,830
that God exists.
But let's let's let's touch on

1706
01:38:35,110 --> 01:38:36,750
the watch.
Yeah.

1707
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:39,270
I would say no, no, no, that's
not true.

1708
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:40,990
I don't prove anything of the
sort.

1709
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:43,670
I prove it.
A larger consciousness system

1710
01:38:43,670 --> 01:38:46,870
exists and if you want to call
that God, that's that's up to

1711
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:49,430
you.
But I wouldn't put that word in

1712
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:52,650
your mouth, right?
I I have to keep this science.

1713
01:38:52,770 --> 01:38:55,850
If I want it to be science, I
want it to be logical.

1714
01:38:56,210 --> 01:39:00,410
I don't want to have anything
that isn't logical or science

1715
01:39:00,650 --> 01:39:02,770
included in it, because that
just weakens it.

1716
01:39:03,210 --> 01:39:08,530
That's just yeah.
Some you within this.

1717
01:39:08,530 --> 01:39:12,610
Matrix, or the virtual world we
live in, similar or different?

1718
01:39:12,610 --> 01:39:14,370
Is it from the actual movie The
Matrix?

1719
01:39:14,370 --> 01:39:16,690
I mean, The Matrix is one of my
favorite movies of all time.

1720
01:39:17,650 --> 01:39:19,930
When you, when you look at that
concept and when you watched,

1721
01:39:19,930 --> 01:39:21,410
did have you watched The Matrix,
by the way?

1722
01:39:21,610 --> 01:39:23,210
Yeah, I watched all the ones,
The Matrix.

1723
01:39:23,210 --> 01:39:24,530
That's a long time ago because
they're.

1724
01:39:24,690 --> 01:39:26,890
Those are old movies.
But yeah, I watched it.

1725
01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:29,490
But yeah, there's some very big
differences there.

1726
01:39:33,330 --> 01:39:35,010
I'm sorry, we're talking at the.
Same time.

1727
01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:38,430
Go ahead, this lag on my side
but.

1728
01:39:38,430 --> 01:39:41,630
Once once I get your copy of
this, I'll I'll definitely try

1729
01:39:41,630 --> 01:39:44,190
and edit this out for people
just to help them out.

1730
01:39:45,150 --> 01:39:47,950
OK, I've seen some lag too.
I've seen where you're frozen a

1731
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:50,230
couple of times.
I haven't seen why is it?

1732
01:39:50,230 --> 01:39:52,870
Yeah, Frozen.
You haven't frozen my side, but

1733
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:55,350
on my side there is.
A slight delay in the in the

1734
01:39:55,350 --> 01:40:00,390
speech anyhow.
Yeah, there's some things about

1735
01:40:00,390 --> 01:40:03,870
my Big Toe.
They're not the same as the

1736
01:40:03,870 --> 01:40:07,860
movie The Matrix is.
But the basic idea that we live

1737
01:40:07,860 --> 01:40:10,260
in a virtual reality, of course
that's the same.

1738
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:14,060
And that the reality is
computed, you know that's the

1739
01:40:14,060 --> 01:40:16,660
same.
And that a computed reality can

1740
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:20,780
be just as real as, you know as
real can be.

1741
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:24,300
You can't fault a virtual
reality on well, it's not really

1742
01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:27,980
real, you know, for the matter
of fact, I would say that the

1743
01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:30,660
only thing that's real is
consciousness.

1744
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:34,100
And what is real?
Information is real.

1745
01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:38,110
That's it.
Everything else that we find in

1746
01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:42,550
our reality or part of what we
call real, is derived from

1747
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:46,430
information.
It's part of consciousness.

1748
01:40:46,430 --> 01:40:50,230
So consciousness is fundamental.
Information is real.

1749
01:40:50,230 --> 01:40:53,910
You know, I I just, you know,
kind of leave it that that

1750
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:56,630
simple.
And that's true.

1751
01:40:56,670 --> 01:40:58,390
You know, that seems just to be
true.

1752
01:40:58,390 --> 01:41:01,550
Now physicists, there's a lot of
physicists who say that this our

1753
01:41:01,550 --> 01:41:04,670
reality is information based.
That's not hard to get a

1754
01:41:04,670 --> 01:41:08,030
physicist to say that.
But for them to then say that we

1755
01:41:08,030 --> 01:41:12,110
live in a virtual reality that
they won't go there because that

1756
01:41:12,110 --> 01:41:15,190
has other connotations and they
don't know about that.

1757
01:41:15,190 --> 01:41:18,750
They'll just say that this
reality that we have seems to be

1758
01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:20,830
information based.
Most of the.

1759
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:23,590
The atomic physicists and the
quantum physicists kind of

1760
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:27,710
gotten around to that point.
But but they won't step past

1761
01:41:27,710 --> 01:41:32,980
that because it conflicts then
with their belief of materialism

1762
01:41:33,340 --> 01:41:34,900
and then they just can't go
there.

1763
01:41:36,380 --> 01:41:40,940
So the, you know, the science
Now I have physicists that have

1764
01:41:40,940 --> 01:41:43,380
read my books and love it, you
know, and they're on, they're on

1765
01:41:43,380 --> 01:41:44,780
board with it.
I have a lot of computer

1766
01:41:44,780 --> 01:41:46,700
scientists that think it's it's
great.

1767
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:50,300
A lot of engineers and you know
otherwise technical people who

1768
01:41:51,500 --> 01:41:57,180
who like it and agree with it
and think it's it's it's good.

1769
01:41:58,740 --> 01:42:01,100
But most scientists won't even
look at it.

1770
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:04,550
You know it's not they don't
have the ability to actually

1771
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:08,070
look and see what's there.
It's it's they cannot do that.

1772
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:10,230
That would burn their eyeballs
out or something.

1773
01:42:10,230 --> 01:42:13,550
They they just cannot get
themselves to do it.

1774
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:18,470
And a few of them, I've gotten
to listen for a short time, but

1775
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:22,110
as soon as I stray from things
that they know from their

1776
01:42:22,110 --> 01:42:28,340
materialist viewpoint, it's
like, you know, and I have so

1777
01:42:28,340 --> 01:42:31,260
many objections that I have to
explain to them that we never

1778
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:33,940
actually get to to where to
where we need to go.

1779
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:39,460
So they never actually see it.
But you know, I I did a paper, I

1780
01:42:39,460 --> 01:42:41,860
have some experiments, physics
experiments that I've done.

1781
01:42:41,860 --> 01:42:44,820
I don't know if you're aware
about that or not, but you know

1782
01:42:44,820 --> 01:42:50,260
the one of the authors.
It was my, my, my experiments

1783
01:42:50,260 --> 01:42:55,460
that I delivered at a talk in LA
in 2016.

1784
01:42:55,940 --> 01:42:58,180
And in the audience there were
these two guys.

1785
01:42:58,180 --> 01:43:02,820
One of them was from Caltech and
the other one was from JPL, you

1786
01:43:02,820 --> 01:43:06,900
know, which are both out there
in near LA And they both got

1787
01:43:06,900 --> 01:43:09,780
around and said hey, let's get
these things published.

1788
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:12,980
You know, I think it's great and
I think you've got something.

1789
01:43:12,980 --> 01:43:17,060
So I have physicists from
high-powered institutions who

1790
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:23,300
think it's this right on, you
know, but they are the exception

1791
01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:27,260
by far.
I just had a young physicist a

1792
01:43:27,660 --> 01:43:31,220
few months ago, about a month
ago that I tried to, I thought I

1793
01:43:31,220 --> 01:43:35,860
could, but he found so many
objections so early that I never

1794
01:43:35,860 --> 01:43:40,100
actually got him to see the the
paradigm shifts that I wanted

1795
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:44,060
him to see because he got hung
up over a lot of other things

1796
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:47,820
first.
And you know there's only you

1797
01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:51,230
know you can only zoom.
For so long before before it's

1798
01:43:51,230 --> 01:43:53,990
time to quit.
In this case, he was up really

1799
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:56,390
late at night and it was
midnight, so we just had to

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01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:58,270
quit.
But he didn't.

1801
01:43:58,630 --> 01:44:05,270
He didn't get it because a new
paradigm is hard to get, you

1802
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:09,230
know, I mean, just imagine back
when the people said, you know,

1803
01:44:09,230 --> 01:44:11,390
the world's really round, it's
not flat.

1804
01:44:11,870 --> 01:44:14,470
You can just see all the people
say, well that's ridiculous.

1805
01:44:15,190 --> 01:44:17,990
If it were round that people on
the other side would fall off.

1806
01:44:19,060 --> 01:44:21,900
Yeah, that's stupid.
It can't be round, You know,

1807
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:24,660
that doesn't work.
If it was round, all the oceans

1808
01:44:24,660 --> 01:44:28,620
would just spill off the edges
and disappear, you know?

1809
01:44:28,980 --> 01:44:33,140
So anybody with a brain knows
that it has to be flat so that

1810
01:44:33,140 --> 01:44:35,740
people don't fall off and that
the water doesn't just run over

1811
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:37,900
the edges.
And you know, around Earth is

1812
01:44:37,900 --> 01:44:41,420
just a stupid idea.
And you can see that trying to

1813
01:44:41,420 --> 01:44:44,540
convince people of that is very
difficult because it takes a

1814
01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:50,310
whole new concept called
gravity, you know, and that's

1815
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:52,910
not an obvious concept.
It's not like, oh, gravity,

1816
01:44:52,910 --> 01:44:55,630
Yeah, that makes good sense.
Yeah, We're all attracted to the

1817
01:44:55,630 --> 01:45:01,350
Earth, you know, I can see that.
You know, it's a new new

1818
01:45:01,350 --> 01:45:06,470
paradigms are really hard to get
people to wrap their arms around

1819
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:09,430
them because they're so contrary
to what they already believe.

1820
01:45:10,350 --> 01:45:12,710
And they have all these really
good reasons to why that

1821
01:45:12,710 --> 01:45:16,070
couldn't possibly be true, Which
is of course all their beliefs

1822
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:21,010
that they've collected up to
this point with other ideas, I

1823
01:45:21,010 --> 01:45:23,170
must say, when I.
First, I think I think.

1824
01:45:23,170 --> 01:45:25,530
This conversation that you and I
are having probably would have

1825
01:45:25,530 --> 01:45:29,850
been impossible for me
personally at least about about

1826
01:45:30,290 --> 01:45:34,490
5-5 years ago because of the
same thing you're talking about.

1827
01:45:34,490 --> 01:45:40,210
I think you have to sort of be
slightly almost just exposed to

1828
01:45:40,210 --> 01:45:43,930
it a little bit more in in micro
doses in order to slowly step

1829
01:45:43,930 --> 01:45:48,000
out and kind of explore this.
It's almost like micro dosing

1830
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,200
yourself with idealism and I
think that's what's happened

1831
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,280
with me over time.
I mean, you have enough chats

1832
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:56,520
with people, Renato Castro,
Donald Hoffman and you.

1833
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,000
Over the time, when you explore
these concepts, you can see the

1834
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,760
logical coherence steps you're
taking to make these fundamental

1835
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,640
life altering.
Conclusions.

1836
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:08,880
It's not that you're just
stepping out into a whacky

1837
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,320
realm, which is how a lot of
materialists would view it.

1838
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:15,360
It's that you're actually just
taking logical steps into a

1839
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:20,880
different framework.
Yes, but you know, even the

1840
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:26,520
people that you think would get
it very easily, let's say like

1841
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:32,800
Bernardo Castro, right?
Idealist One of the one of the

1842
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,680
more outspoken idealists.
That we have around today.

1843
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,600
And I had a little conversation
with him.

1844
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,360
It was videoed and one of the
things he said was he says,

1845
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:45,120
well, you know, one of the one
of the problems that idealism

1846
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,440
has is where is this
information?

1847
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,760
You know, it's, you know, you
were talking about consciousness

1848
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,800
and information and he says
that, all right.

1849
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,090
The, you know, the information
we live in, we live in just the

1850
01:46:58,090 --> 01:47:01,170
shadows on the wall.
But where is all this real stuff

1851
01:47:01,370 --> 01:47:03,130
going on?
You know that that we're the

1852
01:47:03,130 --> 01:47:06,730
shadows of and and we can't
produce that.

1853
01:47:07,210 --> 01:47:09,690
And I told him, I said, well
that's not a problem for

1854
01:47:09,690 --> 01:47:11,370
idealism.
I says I can tell you about the

1855
01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:13,530
information.
I can tell you where it is and

1856
01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:15,570
how it got there and where it
came from.

1857
01:47:16,130 --> 01:47:23,660
And he looked at me and changed
the subject and I got

1858
01:47:23,660 --> 01:47:26,700
immediately the like, like,
Nope, impossible.

1859
01:47:26,700 --> 01:47:28,060
Can't be.
It's impossible.

1860
01:47:28,060 --> 01:47:31,860
We just can't know that.
And you must be, you know, off

1861
01:47:31,860 --> 01:47:34,460
on some goofy thing that
whatever, you know.

1862
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:37,100
So he, he kind of wrote me off
just like that.

1863
01:47:37,380 --> 01:47:41,260
Now here's somebody who's been
in, you know this idea that and

1864
01:47:41,260 --> 01:47:44,300
he would agree with me.
Consciousness is fundamental.

1865
01:47:44,660 --> 01:47:48,070
He agrees with that but yet he
he couldn't know.

1866
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:50,430
I didn't do a whole thing like
I've done with you you know

1867
01:47:50,430 --> 01:47:52,470
explaining it all.
I didn't have time for that.

1868
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:54,230
This was just a chat that we
had.

1869
01:47:54,590 --> 01:47:59,230
But I could see that the
obviously in his mind I I was a

1870
01:47:59,230 --> 01:48:01,350
crackpot of some sort that
didn't know what I was talking

1871
01:48:01,350 --> 01:48:06,070
about because that's impossible
to know about that invisible not

1872
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:11,390
here stuff you know it the.
So I run into that even with the

1873
01:48:11,390 --> 01:48:15,460
people who should be on my side.
There's still not they're still

1874
01:48:15,460 --> 01:48:18,540
not on my side because.
And I talked with Donald Hoffman

1875
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:22,180
and it was a similar kind of
thing and I was I was talking

1876
01:48:22,180 --> 01:48:25,860
with Donald and and you know he
was talking about how this was

1877
01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:28,260
mathematical and that was
mathematical you know and I said

1878
01:48:28,260 --> 01:48:31,300
well Don you know the
mathematics isn't really that

1879
01:48:31,300 --> 01:48:34,220
big a deal.
The mathematics is the logic of

1880
01:48:34,220 --> 01:48:37,140
quantity.
Okay a lot of things in our

1881
01:48:37,140 --> 01:48:39,580
reality can be described by
quantity.

1882
01:48:39,860 --> 01:48:44,010
So math really describes our
reality well because you know,

1883
01:48:44,010 --> 01:48:45,650
how tall is it?
How heavy is it?

1884
01:48:45,650 --> 01:48:47,730
You know, what is this dense?
You know, these are all

1885
01:48:48,690 --> 01:48:52,890
quantitative things.
And and I said that's that's

1886
01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:55,330
good, but I said you don't need
that.

1887
01:48:55,770 --> 01:48:58,650
You don't need math to prove
that it's a it's a real theory

1888
01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:02,290
said science isn't done with
math, though many scientists

1889
01:49:02,450 --> 01:49:05,090
believe that science is done
with logic.

1890
01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:08,330
Science is done with rational
logic.

1891
01:49:09,140 --> 01:49:10,460
That makes sense.
That means things.

1892
01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:12,020
I said.
That's that's what it's done.

1893
01:49:12,020 --> 01:49:19,300
And and a model should be should
be called good if it can answer

1894
01:49:19,500 --> 01:49:22,460
the mail, if it answers all the
questions, answers new stuff,

1895
01:49:22,460 --> 01:49:26,380
you know doesn't add any new
paradoxes, that sort of thing.

1896
01:49:26,380 --> 01:49:29,090
Then it's a good model and
doesn't have any crazy

1897
01:49:29,090 --> 01:49:31,810
assumptions in it or doesn't
have many you know only has one

1898
01:49:31,810 --> 01:49:35,170
or two, has very few assumptions
in it then that's that defines a

1899
01:49:35,170 --> 01:49:38,330
good model.
A good models not defined by how

1900
01:49:38,330 --> 01:49:40,770
well it agrees with what we
already believe.

1901
01:49:41,330 --> 01:49:45,290
Now unfortunately that is what
makes a model a good model.

1902
01:49:45,650 --> 01:49:48,090
The most physicists is that
whether or not agrees with what

1903
01:49:48,090 --> 01:49:53,530
they already believe.
But you know, he felt that if he

1904
01:49:53,530 --> 01:49:57,680
didn't couch what he was doing
in mathematics, that nobody

1905
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:00,000
would take it seriously and it
wouldn't mean anything.

1906
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,120
It wouldn't be real science.
And when I tried to say that,

1907
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:10,200
no, you don't need that.
Look at excuse me.

1908
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:12,680
Sorry, a little something in the
throat here.

1909
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:18,560
Me too.
Soft making you cough Now, I

1910
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,680
actually had that for a while
and I think I just.

1911
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:26,880
Kept it off anyhow.
Look at the biology.

1912
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,520
Okay.
We have evolution.

1913
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,200
Evolution is a science.
Biological evolution.

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01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,560
That's good science.
Damn good science.

1915
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,040
You know, go out and get all
that data and make all that

1916
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,600
logical deductions from it.
And it's answered a lot of

1917
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:45,240
questions, like, why did
dolphins have finger bounds in

1918
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:48,440
their fins?
You know, things like that.

1919
01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:50,760
It answered a whole lot of
things that were paradoxical.

1920
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:55,020
I said that's science, but
that's not very mathematical.

1921
01:50:55,900 --> 01:50:58,060
There's there's a little
mathematic there and there in

1922
01:50:58,060 --> 01:51:01,980
the statistics, I guess, but
it's just reasonable.

1923
01:51:02,540 --> 01:51:07,780
It has data to show that it
works, It makes sense, it it

1924
01:51:07,780 --> 01:51:11,380
answers the questions of why are
things that we observe the way

1925
01:51:11,380 --> 01:51:13,660
we observe them.
I said that's what makes

1926
01:51:13,660 --> 01:51:14,820
science.
You don't.

1927
01:51:15,260 --> 01:51:17,660
You don't have to impress people
with your mathematics that

1928
01:51:17,660 --> 01:51:20,670
you've got real science, because
it's mathematical as a matter of

1929
01:51:20,670 --> 01:51:25,430
fact when it comes to.
Big picture things.

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01:51:26,230 --> 01:51:28,990
The mathematics will be a
hamper.

1931
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:33,590
It will just get in the way
because the big picture isn't

1932
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:36,910
mathematical.
It's ideas, it's understanding.

1933
01:51:37,110 --> 01:51:39,830
It's logic.
That's the big picture.

1934
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:42,990
You know, if you try to
understand consciousness with

1935
01:51:42,990 --> 01:51:45,550
mathematics, it isn't going to
work.

1936
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:49,110
That's not what's going on here.
These are conceptual.

1937
01:51:49,110 --> 01:51:53,870
These are ideas, ideas that help
us understand the world that

1938
01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:57,830
we're in, you know, ideas that
that logically can explain

1939
01:51:57,830 --> 01:52:01,630
things and new things.
And you know, I said, you know,

1940
01:52:01,630 --> 01:52:05,830
because he was just so hard over
on it has to be mathematical or

1941
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:07,630
it can't be right.
It can't be useful.

1942
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:11,630
And that's not true.
If physics is looking for, well,

1943
01:52:11,630 --> 01:52:15,580
where's the math?
You know, well you don't need

1944
01:52:15,580 --> 01:52:18,140
math.
It's where's the logic, where's

1945
01:52:18,140 --> 01:52:21,020
the reason and where are the
answers that nobody else can

1946
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:22,700
get.
That's the thing.

1947
01:52:22,700 --> 01:52:25,540
And where are your assumptions?
And how many assumptions do you

1948
01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:27,580
have?
Because you know you can do like

1949
01:52:27,580 --> 01:52:30,780
string theory, and if you have
10 assumptions or 14

1950
01:52:30,780 --> 01:52:32,860
assumptions, you know each one
of their dimensions is like

1951
01:52:32,860 --> 01:52:35,100
another assumption.
You know, if I have 14

1952
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:38,260
assumptions, that's like playing
a game of cards and I got 14

1953
01:52:38,260 --> 01:52:41,380
wild cards, you know I get 14
assumptions.

1954
01:52:41,380 --> 01:52:46,180
I can prove almost anything, you
know, so you have to look at it

1955
01:52:46,620 --> 01:52:50,380
and judge it by its value, not
by its math.

1956
01:52:50,380 --> 01:52:54,460
But he kind of wrote me off
because I wasn't as mathematical

1957
01:52:54,860 --> 01:52:58,140
as he would have liked.
So if it's not mathematical,

1958
01:52:58,140 --> 01:53:01,060
then it can't really be science.
And that's just wrong.

1959
01:53:01,860 --> 01:53:05,060
It's not it at all.
Mathematic is a tool because

1960
01:53:05,180 --> 01:53:07,260
science talks about the physical
world.

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01:53:07,260 --> 01:53:11,700
The physical world is tends to
be measured mostly in quantity.

1962
01:53:11,820 --> 01:53:16,020
It's a quantitative thing.
So yes, math does a great job at

1963
01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:17,780
doing that.
But now you're not just looking

1964
01:53:17,780 --> 01:53:20,700
at the stuff in the world,
you're trying to look at what

1965
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:23,220
does this stuff come from?
What is its origin, what is its

1966
01:53:23,220 --> 01:53:26,620
nature?
You know, why is it there?

1967
01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:29,340
What is your purpose?
And you're not going to find

1968
01:53:29,340 --> 01:53:32,580
your purpose in mathematics.
You're not going to find that

1969
01:53:32,580 --> 01:53:34,380
sort of thing.
You have to understand the

1970
01:53:34,380 --> 01:53:38,460
bigger picture.
So even the people that should

1971
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:44,630
be on my side or at least open,
I find that when I talk to them,

1972
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:48,150
they're closed off.
They don't want to go there and

1973
01:53:48,150 --> 01:53:52,110
they don't.
They too will not listen to the

1974
01:53:52,110 --> 01:53:56,390
whole thing because they cut to
a point that that is against

1975
01:53:56,390 --> 01:54:00,150
what they believe and gone.
That's it.

1976
01:54:00,150 --> 01:54:02,310
They're done.
Because if I'm against what they

1977
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:06,030
believe to be true, then
obviously I'm, you know, I'm a

1978
01:54:06,030 --> 01:54:09,070
loose cannon, Don't know what
I'm talking about because I

1979
01:54:09,070 --> 01:54:11,990
couldn't know those things.
I have lots of people when I

1980
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:14,310
tell them, well, what what
happens when you die?

1981
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:16,830
And I tell them what happens
when they die and they say,

1982
01:54:16,830 --> 01:54:18,350
well, how could you know?
How do you know?

1983
01:54:18,350 --> 01:54:19,550
What's that?
That's impossible.

1984
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:21,910
You can't know that.
That's impossible to know.

1985
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:23,950
So you must be making it up, you
know?

1986
01:54:23,950 --> 01:54:27,950
But it's not impossible to know.
You can find out those kinds of

1987
01:54:27,950 --> 01:54:32,030
things.
That stuff is available, you

1988
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:33,670
know.
And these paranormal things,

1989
01:54:33,670 --> 01:54:37,390
they are real things.
You can get that information.

1990
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:40,950
It is available.
You can modify future

1991
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:43,470
probability and all these
things.

1992
01:54:43,670 --> 01:54:45,750
Science has shown that they're
true.

1993
01:54:46,230 --> 01:54:48,910
You know, you can read some of
Dean Raden's books and he'll

1994
01:54:48,910 --> 01:54:51,790
show you that there's been
plenty of people who have done

1995
01:54:51,790 --> 01:54:56,070
good science with good protocols
and shown that, yes, these

1996
01:54:56,070 --> 01:55:00,140
things indeed are facts, but
nobody ever can go the next step

1997
01:55:00,140 --> 01:55:01,940
because they're facts without a
reason.

1998
01:55:01,940 --> 01:55:05,140
They're facts without a theory.
They're facts without anything

1999
01:55:05,140 --> 01:55:09,220
logical to support them.
They just facts that hang out

2000
01:55:09,220 --> 01:55:12,060
there all by themselves, and I
can't use them, you know, it's

2001
01:55:12,060 --> 01:55:15,540
that sort of thing.
But this, my theory puts a

2002
01:55:15,740 --> 01:55:19,580
scientific foundation underneath
all of that stuff.

2003
01:55:19,940 --> 01:55:24,180
But even the people that are
kinda leading my way think

2004
01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:27,500
consciousness is fundamental,
think that you know this is a

2005
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:32,340
virtual reality like Hoffman,
you know and you know they hit

2006
01:55:32,340 --> 01:55:34,380
the eject.
They hit the eject button.

2007
01:55:34,900 --> 01:55:39,930
You know when you know early on
in the conversation, I know it.

2008
01:55:39,930 --> 01:55:41,210
I think it's strange in the
sense.

2009
01:55:41,210 --> 01:55:44,930
That I mean that you all three
are clearly idealists in in in

2010
01:55:44,930 --> 01:55:47,570
the sense that you fundamentally
agree that reality is

2011
01:55:47,570 --> 01:55:49,730
consciousness and there's no
disagreeing with that.

2012
01:55:50,050 --> 01:55:53,090
And I've spoken to, I mean I've
spoken to both of them twice in

2013
01:55:53,130 --> 01:55:55,490
very long format conversations
just like this.

2014
01:55:55,770 --> 01:55:58,570
But I but I can understand the
psychology behind the

2015
01:55:58,570 --> 01:56:01,530
differences at some point.
Because even within physicalist,

2016
01:56:01,570 --> 01:56:04,370
materialist thinkers, there's
always these fundamental

2017
01:56:04,370 --> 01:56:07,570
differences that that creep up
once someone says slightly

2018
01:56:07,570 --> 01:56:10,770
different to their own.
Belief system, and I mean it's

2019
01:56:10,770 --> 01:56:13,850
it's just a normal way of of
thought at this point.

2020
01:56:13,930 --> 01:56:18,490
Well, the way it works is that
nobody, nobody thinks that they

2021
01:56:18,490 --> 01:56:22,010
have beliefs.
You see, if you haven't, if you

2022
01:56:22,010 --> 01:56:26,570
have a belief, then in your mind
that belief is a fact because

2023
01:56:26,690 --> 01:56:29,890
you believe that this is true.
Well, you don't believe that

2024
01:56:29,890 --> 01:56:32,810
this is a belief that it's true.
You believe that it's true.

2025
01:56:33,090 --> 01:56:36,770
So when anybody has a belief in
their mind, that belief becomes

2026
01:56:36,770 --> 01:56:39,510
a fact.
Now a fact is something that's

2027
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:41,470
incontrovertial.
It's a fact.

2028
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:45,310
So when I say something.
That they know for a fact that

2029
01:56:45,310 --> 01:56:47,790
isn't, you know, that's contrary
to that fact.

2030
01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:49,630
Then boom, the whole thing blows
up.

2031
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:52,710
Because in their mind they don't
say, Oh well, that's my belief

2032
01:56:52,710 --> 01:56:55,670
that you can't do this, that you
can't find out, or if you have

2033
01:56:55,670 --> 01:56:58,950
to have math, it's not.
They don't see it as a belief.

2034
01:56:59,030 --> 01:57:00,670
Nobody sees anything as a
belief.

2035
01:57:00,670 --> 01:57:03,720
They see things as facts.
That's the thing.

2036
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,200
That's why you need to get rid,
get rid of beliefs.

2037
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:07,880
You know, beliefs are a bad
thing.

2038
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,480
You need to get rid of beliefs
altogether.

2039
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:13,880
And when you do, you'll peel
away a lot of those things that

2040
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,040
used to be facts when you get
rid of your beliefs.

2041
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,000
So it's just normal.
Yes, it's normal.

2042
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:21,960
Psychology.
People convince themselves that

2043
01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:24,480
this is true.
They believe it's true.

2044
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:28,680
It's a fact.
And you come and say.

2045
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,830
Well, that's not true.
You know X.

2046
01:57:32,830 --> 01:57:36,350
They hit the X button and you're
gone because they know you must

2047
01:57:36,350 --> 01:57:40,230
be wrong because you have just
contradicted a fact that they

2048
01:57:40,230 --> 01:57:42,670
know is true.
I think it's good to have a

2049
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:44,430
balance of.
Being passionately.

2050
01:57:44,430 --> 01:57:47,230
Curious and reasonably
skeptical, but you've got to got

2051
01:57:47,230 --> 01:57:49,350
to find that perfect balance to
at least open your mind up to at

2052
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:51,870
least have a full on discussion
and listen.

2053
01:57:52,590 --> 01:57:54,510
You know my.
One of the things that I keep

2054
01:57:54,510 --> 01:57:57,230
repeating is that you need to be
open minded, but you need to be

2055
01:57:57,230 --> 01:57:59,830
skeptical.
You need to be skeptical of

2056
01:57:59,830 --> 01:58:03,620
everything and the person you
need to be most skeptical of as

2057
01:58:03,620 --> 01:58:07,340
yourself.
Because you well, you will you

2058
01:58:07,340 --> 01:58:10,980
know walk yourself down that
that primrose path more quickly

2059
01:58:10,980 --> 01:58:13,580
and and more efficiently than
anybody else.

2060
01:58:14,260 --> 01:58:18,780
Because you know you have come
up with answers that you like.

2061
01:58:19,220 --> 01:58:23,140
Answers that suits you and
please you, answers that you

2062
01:58:23,140 --> 01:58:26,460
know that you resonate with
because of your background your

2063
01:58:26,460 --> 01:58:31,220
beliefs whatever else.
And that becomes the.

2064
01:58:31,380 --> 01:58:34,580
Fact in your mind and that you
know.

2065
01:58:34,580 --> 01:58:40,380
So you got to be open minded and
you got to be very skeptical.

2066
01:58:40,380 --> 01:58:43,980
Skeptical of everything,
everything.

2067
01:58:45,100 --> 01:58:47,500
You know, I I worked on this
theory.

2068
01:58:47,500 --> 01:58:52,020
I took about 35 years
considering these things to come

2069
01:58:52,020 --> 01:58:53,620
up with this model of
consciousness.

2070
01:58:54,140 --> 01:58:57,220
And a lot of that time was
because I was skeptical of

2071
01:58:57,220 --> 01:58:59,830
everything.
I'd come up with something and

2072
01:58:59,830 --> 01:59:03,990
I'd say, well, that works pretty
good, but where doesn't it work?

2073
01:59:04,710 --> 01:59:08,270
And I would try very hard to
find out where it doesn't work.

2074
01:59:08,790 --> 01:59:11,670
And it's the same with this
model I've been trying for the

2075
01:59:11,670 --> 01:59:14,390
last 20 years, since I published
this, for somebody to come up

2076
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:17,270
and say here's where this
doesn't work, here's where it

2077
01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:20,110
gives you a wrong answer.
And I'm looking for that.

2078
01:59:20,190 --> 01:59:25,270
I'd like to find that if if it
exists, because you know, it's

2079
01:59:25,270 --> 01:59:27,270
just a theory.
What I have is a model.

2080
01:59:27,710 --> 01:59:30,230
It's just a model of the nature
of reality.

2081
01:59:30,590 --> 01:59:32,670
Okay.
Now the model should be judged

2082
01:59:32,670 --> 01:59:36,550
on how well it works and the
assumptions it has and things

2083
01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:40,310
like that.
But it's a model.

2084
01:59:40,390 --> 01:59:43,150
Models are live things.
It's not like this is the model

2085
01:59:43,150 --> 01:59:45,350
and it's done and nobody will
ever change it.

2086
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:47,430
It's a law, you know?
That's silly.

2087
01:59:47,870 --> 01:59:50,230
Models are always open for
change.

2088
01:59:50,230 --> 01:59:53,550
You learn new things.
You get more information and you

2089
01:59:54,140 --> 01:59:56,940
you, you know, you find things
that the model doesn't fit,

2090
01:59:56,940 --> 01:59:59,860
right.
So you either adjust the model

2091
01:59:59,860 --> 02:00:05,380
to, you know, to to make it more
general or better, or you throw

2092
02:00:05,380 --> 02:00:07,940
the model away and start with
something else.

2093
02:00:08,460 --> 02:00:11,140
You know, that's science.
That's how it should work.

2094
02:00:11,140 --> 02:00:17,020
But our scientists are as strong
of believers as are our priests.

2095
02:00:17,580 --> 02:00:19,460
That's why they make good high
priests.

2096
02:00:19,940 --> 02:00:21,900
Call them the high priests of
Western culture.

2097
02:00:22,340 --> 02:00:25,470
You know it's.
But you just have a have a

2098
02:00:25,470 --> 02:00:32,350
really hard time getting people
to listen and just think about

2099
02:00:32,430 --> 02:00:38,710
these, these, you know, these
what what do you call it?

2100
02:00:38,710 --> 02:00:42,150
The.
You know, ideas, these, these,

2101
02:00:42,310 --> 02:00:44,310
these.
I'm trying to work at the

2102
02:00:44,710 --> 02:00:47,910
paradigm, Yeah, these paradigms,
these paradigm shifts.

2103
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:49,270
Okay.
It's a lot of big paradigm

2104
02:00:49,310 --> 02:00:51,340
shifts.
Consciousness is fundamental.

2105
02:00:51,700 --> 02:00:53,700
Yeah, I can derive physics from
consciousness.

2106
02:00:53,700 --> 02:00:55,660
No way.
You can't do that.

2107
02:00:56,020 --> 02:01:01,460
Yeah, just just to listen to the
paradigm shifts and consider

2108
02:01:01,460 --> 02:01:03,700
them.
And yes, if you have objections,

2109
02:01:03,700 --> 02:01:05,700
say, well, what about that?
And what about this?

2110
02:01:05,740 --> 02:01:09,300
And I'd be glad to answer those
things, but mostly people get to

2111
02:01:09,300 --> 02:01:11,860
the point where it interferes
with one of their beliefs, and

2112
02:01:12,260 --> 02:01:15,180
it's gone when you when you
mentioned those.

2113
02:01:15,260 --> 02:01:17,420
What about that there were?
Two things that stood out to me.

2114
02:01:17,420 --> 02:01:20,300
One was you mentioned entropy.
I mean, we're trying to lower

2115
02:01:20,300 --> 02:01:22,980
this entropy with this
cooperation and sophistication,

2116
02:01:22,980 --> 02:01:27,580
which leads you a bit more
intelligence I would say, or

2117
02:01:28,140 --> 02:01:32,220
just complexity.
But what does this virtual world

2118
02:01:32,260 --> 02:01:35,620
have for the physicalist theory
of, I mean, thermodynamics and

2119
02:01:35,620 --> 02:01:37,260
then also the expansion of the
universe.

2120
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:41,220
Is this virtual reality also
expanding or how does that sort

2121
02:01:41,220 --> 02:01:47,950
of play, you know the physical
what we call the physical world,

2122
02:01:47,950 --> 02:01:52,430
this virtual reality that is the
physical universe is physical

2123
02:01:52,430 --> 02:02:03,550
according to the rule set.
Then you can understand what's

2124
02:02:03,550 --> 02:02:05,750
going on in the physical, in the
physical world.

2125
02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:55,910
It evolved according to these
rule sets.

2126
02:01:56,630 --> 02:02:02,190
So now you have these these
rules and if you understand the.

2127
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:08,310
So that's what science do.
They try to figure out what the

2128
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:10,430
rules are, the rules in the rule
set.

2129
02:02:10,430 --> 02:02:13,670
That's science.
Dig those those rules out now

2130
02:02:13,670 --> 02:02:17,590
they see things like, well, the
universe seems to be expanding.

2131
02:02:17,590 --> 02:02:20,430
No, wait, it's not only
expanding, the expansion is

2132
02:02:20,430 --> 02:02:24,350
accelerating.
You know, now why is that?

2133
02:02:24,590 --> 02:02:28,470
You got all this matter and it's
spread out like this, but it all

2134
02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:31,870
ought to kind of slow down.
And then one day we're all the

2135
02:02:31,870 --> 02:02:35,910
way back, You know, it's not
slowing down.

2136
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:40,850
So we haven't got to that point
that it's started to slowed down

2137
02:02:40,850 --> 02:02:44,290
yet, but it's not even slowing
down as accelerating.

2138
02:02:44,290 --> 02:02:46,690
So why is the damn thing
accelerating, right?

2139
02:02:47,090 --> 02:02:51,530
Well, The thing is.
That it's a virtual reality.

2140
02:02:51,530 --> 02:02:55,890
It can do whatever it pleases.
You know, it can be as big as it

2141
02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:58,610
needs to be.
You know these these things that

2142
02:02:58,610 --> 02:03:01,290
say, well, okay, it's expanding.
What's it expanding into?

2143
02:03:02,090 --> 02:03:04,490
What was there before it
expanded into it?

2144
02:03:05,410 --> 02:03:08,290
Well, nothing was.
There, before it expanded into

2145
02:03:08,290 --> 02:03:10,670
it.
This is a virtual reality.

2146
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:14,910
You got the origin, you got 3
mutually orthogonal unit

2147
02:03:14,910 --> 02:03:17,830
vectors, and that's space
everywhere, you know.

2148
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:21,670
So okay, our universe only seems
to have a boundary here, and

2149
02:03:21,670 --> 02:03:23,630
that boundary keeps getting
further away.

2150
02:03:24,270 --> 02:03:28,990
Well, it's a virtual reality.
You can have a.

2151
02:03:28,990 --> 02:03:32,590
Virtual reality do anything you
want, and you don't necessarily

2152
02:03:32,590 --> 02:03:34,190
have to have a good reason for
it.

2153
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:40,580
The system tries to always stay
with the rule set it likes.

2154
02:03:40,580 --> 02:03:43,580
To, you know, it doesn't like to
break the rules, do things that

2155
02:03:43,580 --> 02:03:48,940
are contrary to the rules.
Some things it does.

2156
02:03:49,340 --> 02:03:53,660
Like anybody, like anyone who
has done a a simulation, you

2157
02:03:53,660 --> 02:03:56,660
know, some of the some of the
universities in their computer

2158
02:03:56,660 --> 02:04:00,620
shops, they'll start out with
rule sets and initial conditions

2159
02:04:00,620 --> 02:04:03,260
and let them evolve.
And they're trying to get a

2160
02:04:03,260 --> 02:04:05,660
particular kind of result.
And they're looking for that.

2161
02:04:06,300 --> 02:04:10,490
And what did they do?
Well, not only do they take one,

2162
02:04:10,490 --> 02:04:14,450
take two, take three, but they
go into it when it's 2/3 of the

2163
02:04:14,450 --> 02:04:16,290
way done and say, well, it's not
quite what I wanted.

2164
02:04:16,290 --> 02:04:17,690
So they monkey with it a little
bit.

2165
02:04:17,970 --> 02:04:21,090
They go in and they say, well,
OK, it's cheating, but I'm going

2166
02:04:21,210 --> 02:04:23,450
to change this thing over here
like that because then from then

2167
02:04:23,450 --> 02:04:25,490
on it's going to get better, you
know?

2168
02:04:25,850 --> 02:04:28,690
And I suspect our reality was
done that way too.

2169
02:04:29,210 --> 02:04:33,370
You know, fine.
Tune it to adjust it a little

2170
02:04:33,370 --> 02:04:35,050
bit.
They just think you're going to

2171
02:04:35,050 --> 02:04:37,530
start with these conditions and
a rule set and everything, then

2172
02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:41,280
for the next, what, 5 billion
years, it's going to work out

2173
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,240
just Peachy King.
Probably not, you know.

2174
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,640
So he probably went in and said,
well, let me make, let me make a

2175
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:51,880
little adjustment here, let me
do this other thing and make it

2176
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:56,280
work better.
So everything you see won't

2177
02:04:56,280 --> 02:05:01,240
necessarily be representative of
the rule set because it would

2178
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:04,920
just be too much to think that
everything worked perfectly with

2179
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:06,520
the rule set and initial
conditions.

2180
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:09,770
That's.
And once it got stable, you

2181
02:05:09,770 --> 02:05:14,250
don't want to, you don't want to
stop it, start over by changing

2182
02:05:14,650 --> 02:05:17,850
some of the initial stuff.
You just want to fiddle with it

2183
02:05:17,850 --> 02:05:20,490
and manipulate it a little bit
to make it come out the way you

2184
02:05:20,490 --> 02:05:25,250
want, you know.
So yes, now the system had a

2185
02:05:25,290 --> 02:05:27,770
particular reason for having it
a certain way.

2186
02:05:27,770 --> 02:05:30,570
It wanted to have certain kinds
of critters that made certain

2187
02:05:30,570 --> 02:05:35,550
kinds of choices, and, you know,
that had to be, you know, within

2188
02:05:35,550 --> 02:05:37,510
certain bounds of things that
they wanted.

2189
02:05:37,870 --> 02:05:40,710
And if they didn't get that,
then they were going to have to

2190
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:44,870
fiddle it to.
Make it come out right.

2191
02:05:45,230 --> 02:05:48,790
So I think you know like I think
that readiness potential that's

2192
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:51,710
one of the that's one of the
fiddles that had to come out

2193
02:05:51,710 --> 02:05:55,270
right otherwise we would have
had a lot of video lag going on

2194
02:05:55,710 --> 02:05:59,550
in our in our world that needed
to be fixed so.

2195
02:06:02,140 --> 02:06:04,180
Why?
Why should the universe still be

2196
02:06:04,660 --> 02:06:08,340
accelerating just because?
It is.

2197
02:06:08,340 --> 02:06:10,180
I don't know.
There may be some reason for

2198
02:06:10,180 --> 02:06:13,020
that.
Maybe it did slow down and turn

2199
02:06:13,020 --> 02:06:14,860
around and come back and smoosh
everything.

2200
02:06:15,020 --> 02:06:18,180
And the system said, well, no,
we can't have that.

2201
02:06:18,460 --> 02:06:21,820
That's not good.
We haven't evolved as much as we

2202
02:06:21,820 --> 02:06:24,020
need to evolve.
I tell you what I'll just make

2203
02:06:24,020 --> 02:06:25,940
all that stuff just keep on
accelerating.

2204
02:06:26,740 --> 02:06:28,650
Going to do that.
Absolutely.

2205
02:06:28,650 --> 02:06:31,810
It's a virtual reality can do
whatever it wants if it wants to

2206
02:06:32,570 --> 02:06:34,850
use gravity up to a certain
point.

2207
02:06:34,850 --> 02:06:37,490
And for these things, we're not
going to, we're not going to use

2208
02:06:37,490 --> 02:06:38,810
that anymore.
We're going to let them

2209
02:06:38,810 --> 02:06:41,050
accelerate.
It can do that.

2210
02:06:42,010 --> 02:06:46,410
But what happens with us is that
we we find these things and and

2211
02:06:46,410 --> 02:06:49,850
we we make up these fudge
factors that explain them.

2212
02:06:50,420 --> 02:06:53,580
Oh, there's dark matter.
No, you can't see it.

2213
02:06:53,580 --> 02:06:55,420
You can't smell it, you can't
measure it, you can't do

2214
02:06:55,420 --> 02:06:57,220
anything with it.
It's just like that stuff that

2215
02:06:57,220 --> 02:07:00,260
you guys call silly and
invisible, but in this case,

2216
02:07:00,260 --> 02:07:03,940
it's really good stuff.
And you know, this invisible

2217
02:07:03,940 --> 02:07:06,940
matter and this invisible
energy, and that's, these are

2218
02:07:06,940 --> 02:07:09,700
just fudge factors that they
want to stick into the equations

2219
02:07:09,700 --> 02:07:11,060
to make their numbers come out
right.

2220
02:07:11,420 --> 02:07:14,660
And they don't really represent
anything real.

2221
02:07:15,140 --> 02:07:21,640
They just are a fudge.
Factor so that so that the the

2222
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:26,640
you know but that's part.
Of a virtual reality that you're

2223
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:28,880
going to have things like that.
You're going to have these

2224
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:33,120
things that appear that are kind
of off the wall, because that's

2225
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:36,320
just the nature of trying to get
a virtual reality to be the way

2226
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:41,040
you want for your own purposes.
And it's maybe too hard to do

2227
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:44,080
from scratch.
That just makes it too hard.

2228
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:45,800
You have to start over too many
times.

2229
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:51,760
And so yes, we do have odd
things and and that's my take on

2230
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:53,840
them, you know, I think the
fudge factors are just silly,

2231
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:57,080
you know, they ought to just
just say, you know, we don't

2232
02:07:57,080 --> 02:08:00,280
understand this, this doesn't,
doesn't.

2233
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:02,440
This kind of thing doesn't
compute, and we don't understand

2234
02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:04,840
that.
Maybe someday we will, you know?

2235
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:07,760
And that could be where science
leaves it.

2236
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:11,800
Oh, but I can make up a number
here and call it, you know,

2237
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:14,430
invisible matter.
And.

2238
02:08:14,430 --> 02:08:17,150
Yeah, right.
If I tried to convince you that,

2239
02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:20,470
you know, the whole world was
made by pink elephants that fly

2240
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:22,790
around, you know, and they're
invisible, what would you do?

2241
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:26,390
You'd call up a psychiatrist and
try to get me committed.

2242
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:31,270
You know, that stuff's not
science, you know, that's fudge

2243
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:33,070
factors.
That's wishful thinking.

2244
02:08:33,070 --> 02:08:37,790
And it it's.
Not bad to try it out to see if

2245
02:08:37,790 --> 02:08:40,550
maybe you missed something, but
when you obviously haven't

2246
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:44,560
missed something then this is
something we don't know.

2247
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:48,000
Let it be there.
Let it be a glaring unknown so

2248
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:53,280
that you don't waste a lot of
time trying to, you know, make

2249
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:54,800
things.
Work that don't work.

2250
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:57,320
I'm still trying to.
I'm still.

2251
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,840
I'm still a.
Part of me still trying to

2252
02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:02,320
process like the the separation
that some idealists have from

2253
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,800
you and at some point and I
think a big part of it would

2254
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:07,080
probably be in those.
I mean, you mentioned this

2255
02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:09,680
earlier, those explanation of
paranormal activities.

2256
02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:11,000
We haven't touched much on that
yet.

2257
02:09:11,390 --> 02:09:14,430
Before we do, I just wanted to
ask you, Tom, in your, in your

2258
02:09:15,190 --> 02:09:17,830
in your life when you growing
up, who were some of those

2259
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:20,870
scientists or philosophers?
Was it like people like Berkeley

2260
02:09:21,110 --> 02:09:25,910
or Darwin who really inspired
you or who really grounded your

2261
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:30,230
your current philosophical slash
scientific skepticism slash

2262
02:09:30,230 --> 02:09:35,830
curiosity?
I don't know, I would say.

2263
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:42,080
Probably nobody in particular.
The thing that got me that kind

2264
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:44,400
of got me interested, of course
was quantum physics.

2265
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:48,160
You know I got interested in
that because that that was a big

2266
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:50,680
unknown and wherever they're
unknowns, well, that makes

2267
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:53,440
science more interesting.
Science gets interesting when

2268
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:57,200
you look at where the unknowns
are not cranking out the knowns.

2269
02:09:57,200 --> 02:10:02,280
So I was I was pulled to that
and I did some reading about it

2270
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:08,540
and I remember the the
conclusions that they that these

2271
02:10:08,540 --> 02:10:13,100
people came to were that
consciousness was somehow

2272
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:17,860
involved but we didn't
understand how they that the

2273
02:10:20,100 --> 02:10:22,900
that the measurement.
You know when you when you try

2274
02:10:22,900 --> 02:10:24,700
to measure what slip does it go
through.

2275
02:10:25,260 --> 02:10:27,820
If you measure it with some sort
of energy, then you're always

2276
02:10:27,820 --> 02:10:30,100
going to affect it.
You know, you're talking about a

2277
02:10:30,100 --> 02:10:32,860
photon and then you're going to
put energy on it to see if it's

2278
02:10:32,860 --> 02:10:34,340
there.
Then you're actually going to

2279
02:10:34,340 --> 02:10:35,660
change it.
You're going to affect it.

2280
02:10:36,020 --> 02:10:40,140
And that somehow that change
then is what causes, you know,

2281
02:10:40,140 --> 02:10:43,780
the these photons to organize
themselves in an interference

2282
02:10:43,780 --> 02:10:49,340
pattern when they shouldn't.
You know, So that that idea that

2283
02:10:49,340 --> 02:10:52,700
it was somehow the what we were
doing to it was the cause of

2284
02:10:52,700 --> 02:10:54,660
that.
And I read stuff where the

2285
02:10:54,660 --> 02:10:57,700
scientists said, no, they said
that's not it, You know, so

2286
02:10:57,740 --> 02:11:01,400
that's that's a, you know,
grasping at straws because we

2287
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:02,800
don't know.
And that's the only thing you

2288
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:06,840
can think of to say, but that's
not it because they realized

2289
02:11:06,840 --> 02:11:10,520
that the ways that they were
knowing were such a light touch

2290
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:12,320
that it would not make that
difference.

2291
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:15,240
So they kind of ruled that out
logically as not.

2292
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:18,520
But a whole lot of scientists
for a long time said Oh yeah,

2293
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:20,160
well that's that's what's going
on there.

2294
02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:24,120
It's that touch until that the
year 2000 when they published

2295
02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:29,040
the the experiment where they.
Used entangled particles to

2296
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:33,800
determine the which way data.
So there was a no touch and they

2297
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:37,160
got the same interference
pattern that they'd gotten

2298
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:41,040
before, but yet there was no
touching it whatsoever.

2299
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,640
You know, there was no
interaction with the particles

2300
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:46,280
that made the interference
pattern.

2301
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:50,240
So in that case, we got the year
2000 and all the people that

2302
02:11:50,240 --> 02:11:51,840
were claiming, ah, that's the
secret.

2303
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:55,000
There's something magic about
the energy that touches those

2304
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:56,800
things.
I mean, it didn't make any

2305
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:58,790
sense.
What could you do to touch

2306
02:11:58,790 --> 02:12:01,550
something going through a slit
that would make them all land

2307
02:12:01,550 --> 02:12:03,710
and interference pattern on the
other sides?

2308
02:12:03,710 --> 02:12:06,830
You know, it's kind of a silly
thing that people grasp at

2309
02:12:06,830 --> 02:12:08,470
straws.
They don't have anything else,

2310
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:11,990
so they they believe in things
like that.

2311
02:12:12,910 --> 02:12:15,990
So yeah, I was intrigued by
that, that it didn't make any

2312
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:18,070
sense.
And you know, it was interesting

2313
02:12:18,070 --> 02:12:21,810
when I wrote my books, I didn't
write them with the idea that I

2314
02:12:21,810 --> 02:12:26,770
was going to solve, you know,
quantum physics or relativity or

2315
02:12:26,770 --> 02:12:28,530
any of that stuff.
I wrote them with the idea that

2316
02:12:28,530 --> 02:12:30,810
I was trying to explain
consciousness and how

2317
02:12:30,810 --> 02:12:33,770
consciousness work.
And I knew that consciousness

2318
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:37,090
was fundamental, that I knew
from my own experiments.

2319
02:12:37,570 --> 02:12:45,090
So that was a a fact for me.
I'd done it many times, so I

2320
02:12:45,090 --> 02:12:47,450
hadn't realized.
That I somebody would have to be

2321
02:12:47,450 --> 02:12:50,170
able to derive physics from
consciousness if conscious was

2322
02:12:50,170 --> 02:12:52,210
fundamental.
I mean if it's fundamental, then

2323
02:12:52,210 --> 02:12:54,650
other things not so fundamental
come out of the fundamental

2324
02:12:54,650 --> 02:12:57,090
stuff.
And I didn't know how to do

2325
02:12:57,090 --> 02:12:59,730
that.
And it was like 2 years or so

2326
02:12:59,730 --> 02:13:03,570
after I published my books that
it came to me and I got the aha,

2327
02:13:04,010 --> 02:13:07,810
you know, about how to do that
and how that worked.

2328
02:13:08,290 --> 02:13:12,250
So, and then I whole lot of a
whole lot of things fell into

2329
02:13:12,250 --> 02:13:15,500
place after that.
But see, I'd already written the

2330
02:13:15,500 --> 02:13:19,700
book and I knew that that could
be done, but I had no idea how

2331
02:13:19,980 --> 02:13:22,860
how that could be done.
Two things that stand out there

2332
02:13:22,860 --> 02:13:26,180
for one is.
What gave you that idea that

2333
02:13:26,180 --> 02:13:29,180
consciousness is fundamental
when you back before you wrote

2334
02:13:29,180 --> 02:13:31,140
the book?
And then what gave you that aha

2335
02:13:31,140 --> 02:13:33,300
moment as well that you could
link this to the physics?

2336
02:13:33,820 --> 02:13:37,180
OK, well the thing that let me
know that now that consciousness

2337
02:13:37,180 --> 02:13:40,420
was was fundamental is that I
could do things in consciousness

2338
02:13:40,420 --> 02:13:44,160
that affected the physical.
I could do that.

2339
02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:48,160
You know, I spend a lot of time
at Monroe's lab, but, you know,

2340
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:49,560
doing things that were
evidential.

2341
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:55,000
Because myself and Dennis
Medrick, engineer, we didn't

2342
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:58,280
want to do things that were
weird but not evidential because

2343
02:13:58,280 --> 02:14:01,080
you never know why.
You know, did that weirdness

2344
02:14:01,080 --> 02:14:03,760
just come out of your own head?
You know, are you creative or

2345
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:05,920
what?
So we needed to do things.

2346
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:08,360
So I'd done hundreds of things
that were evidential, you know,

2347
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:12,080
the remote viewing, evidential,
healing, evidential.

2348
02:14:12,730 --> 02:14:17,250
And eventually it's not just,
Well, it could, it could have

2349
02:14:17,250 --> 02:14:19,050
affected this.
I mean, you do things that are

2350
02:14:19,050 --> 02:14:22,650
dramatically evidential.
Sometimes if you do it long

2351
02:14:22,650 --> 02:14:26,210
enough, you work at it and get
decently good at it.

2352
02:14:26,490 --> 02:14:28,890
You can do things that are
dramatically evidential.

2353
02:14:29,370 --> 02:14:33,610
And when those things happen,
you realize that you can,

2354
02:14:33,610 --> 02:14:36,170
through consciousness, modify
the physical reality.

2355
02:14:37,370 --> 02:14:41,250
But the physical reality cannot
modify consciousness.

2356
02:14:42,040 --> 02:14:46,320
The arrow of causality runs from
consciousness into the physical

2357
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:50,560
consciousness is fundamental.
The physical reality isn't.

2358
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:54,360
Because I can modify things
within the consciousness system,

2359
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:58,400
and it modifies things here.
So that tells me that arrow of

2360
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:01,600
causality runs from
consciousness to the physical,

2361
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:05,560
not the other way around.
So that lets me know that it's

2362
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:09,720
that it's fundamental.
It doesn't go the other way.

2363
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:12,160
You don't do anything here that
modifies something in

2364
02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:15,480
consciousness.
So in this regard, you wouldn't

2365
02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:17,800
consider something.
Like a brain gut access for

2366
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:21,000
example, where if someone's
hungry, let's say that they it

2367
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:22,720
does affect their mind.
You you would.

2368
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:25,400
Would you refer to that not as
consciousness but rather mind?

2369
02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:28,800
Or how would you change that?
No, that's that's all rules.

2370
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:31,240
That stuff.
That's not their mind.

2371
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:32,960
Their consciousness is the
player.

2372
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:36,180
Their player doesn't get hungry.
The player is a piece of

2373
02:15:36,180 --> 02:15:38,740
consciousness.
It doesn't eat at all.

2374
02:15:39,060 --> 02:15:41,380
The players are sitting there is
a piece of consciousness.

2375
02:15:41,420 --> 02:15:45,660
The player never gets hungry.
But the the the rule set is set

2376
02:15:45,660 --> 02:15:49,340
up so that when you get hungry,
your stomach acid does something

2377
02:15:49,340 --> 02:15:52,220
and this scorps there and a
little something else scorps and

2378
02:15:52,220 --> 02:15:54,340
someplace else.
And you end up with sensations

2379
02:15:54,340 --> 02:15:58,380
of hunger and your stomach does
things and you recognize that

2380
02:15:58,380 --> 02:16:00,980
because you've had it before.
And it means that if you eat,

2381
02:16:00,980 --> 02:16:03,820
it'll go away.
So you recognize it as hunger

2382
02:16:04,020 --> 02:16:05,940
pains.
But all of that's just biology.

2383
02:16:06,260 --> 02:16:10,060
That's just rule set stuff.
So that's the way the avatar

2384
02:16:10,260 --> 02:16:13,740
acts.
It's all part of the physical

2385
02:16:13,740 --> 02:16:17,940
system that evolved from that
rule set and initial conditions

2386
02:16:18,140 --> 02:16:21,660
is that way has nothing to do
with your consciousness.

2387
02:16:21,660 --> 02:16:24,380
Your consciousness doesn't say,
oh, I'm, I'm hungry.

2388
02:16:24,700 --> 02:16:26,900
You know when you're sitting out
there playing your elf in World

2389
02:16:26,900 --> 02:16:29,740
of Warcraft, you don't say, oh
Gee, my elf must be hungry

2390
02:16:29,740 --> 02:16:33,120
because my stomach's no, you
don't have any connection with

2391
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:34,760
that consciousness.
Doesn't get hungry

2392
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:38,360
consciousness.
So that acting is technically.

2393
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:44,000
Not the same as being that.
What that acting that you're

2394
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:45,040
saying is technically?
Not the.

2395
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:48,760
Same as being as fundamentally
being is what you're trying to

2396
02:16:48,760 --> 02:16:52,840
say, yeah.
I agree with that statement, but

2397
02:16:52,840 --> 02:16:57,480
I'm not sure that that that's.
Is that the same thing?

2398
02:16:57,480 --> 02:17:00,040
I agree that acting and being
are two very different things.

2399
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:02,520
No, no, no.
I meant so you said this?

2400
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:05,680
Brain gut access, relationship.
It forces you to act a certain

2401
02:17:05,680 --> 02:17:08,240
way, but it's not necessarily.
I see what you mean.

2402
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:10,000
Yeah, right, right.
It does.

2403
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:11,920
The biology has you do a lot of
things.

2404
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:14,040
You see something sad, tears
roll down your face.

2405
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:16,120
Right.
You don't say, oh, Gee, that's

2406
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:17,840
sad.
I should get some tears to roll

2407
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:21,760
down my face.
You know, that isn't done, you

2408
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:23,719
know, because you think about
it.

2409
02:17:23,719 --> 02:17:26,719
Or somebody insults you.
You don't say, Gee, that was an

2410
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,000
insult.
I should get angry.

2411
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:32,020
You know, you just get angry.
You know a lot of stuff happens

2412
02:17:32,020 --> 02:17:59,860
without you thinking about it.
But you still you have that.

2413
02:17:33,820 --> 02:17:36,780
It's all your biology.
It's the way, it's the way you

2414
02:17:36,780 --> 02:17:39,379
work.
It's your DNA and all the rest

2415
02:17:39,379 --> 02:17:42,900
of that stuff makes you an
avatar with certain properties.

2416
02:17:43,180 --> 02:17:45,740
And one of those properties is
when you get you know, you get

2417
02:17:45,740 --> 02:17:47,860
hungry, you have to eat, and if
you don't eat, you'll die.

2418
02:17:48,459 --> 02:17:51,700
You know and and depending on
the quality of your

2419
02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:54,500
consciousness, when you get
insulted, you may or may not get

2420
02:17:54,500 --> 02:17:57,459
angry.
You may not react that.

2421
02:18:00,799 --> 02:18:05,879
Let's put it that way.
The body will will adapt to the

2422
02:18:05,879 --> 02:18:09,240
consciousness.
The body will.

2423
02:18:09,240 --> 02:18:14,240
Adapt to the consciousness and
you know that's a you know we.

2424
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:16,240
Don't believe that.
We kind of think it's the other

2425
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:19,000
way around that the
consciousness leads, you know,

2426
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:20,719
well, the conscious leads, body
follows.

2427
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,719
Here's an example of that.
I was reading a story where

2428
02:18:23,719 --> 02:18:30,410
these these guys found that a
mother sheep was acting

2429
02:18:30,410 --> 02:18:35,570
altruistically and it was not in
her best interest to to nurse or

2430
02:18:35,570 --> 02:18:40,930
to feed another used lamb.
But she was, and she was taking

2431
02:18:40,930 --> 02:18:42,370
care of these things.
She was doing this.

2432
02:18:42,370 --> 02:18:44,930
And they said, well, that's
altruism and there shouldn't be

2433
02:18:44,930 --> 02:18:47,209
any altruism here.
You know, this is just biology.

2434
02:18:47,209 --> 02:18:48,650
It's the survival of the
fittest.

2435
02:18:48,650 --> 02:18:50,930
And if that lamb doesn't have
anything to eat, well, it's too

2436
02:18:50,930 --> 02:18:52,650
bad.
But she'll take care of her own

2437
02:18:52,650 --> 02:18:55,330
lambs.
But evidently she had lambs and

2438
02:18:55,330 --> 02:18:58,170
she was willing to give them a
little less in order to give

2439
02:18:58,170 --> 02:19:01,120
this one, you know, to save this
one's life.

2440
02:19:01,559 --> 02:19:06,520
So wondering about that they the
way science works.

2441
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:11,120
Like said, they kill the sheep
who's being nice and they look

2442
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:13,400
at the sheep's brain and they
said, well, look, here we have

2443
02:19:13,400 --> 02:19:17,240
this little lobe that is right
in the spot for altruistic

2444
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:20,680
thinking and caring about others
and that kind of thing.

2445
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:26,080
So they came to the conclusion
that that must have developed on

2446
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:29,360
that sheep in order to allow
that sheep to act that way.

2447
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:35,120
But that is just backwards.
That lamb evolved from making

2448
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:38,120
better choices.
It grew that little lump there

2449
02:19:38,120 --> 02:19:41,360
because it's consciousness was
such that it could support that.

2450
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:45,000
So when the consciousness of
that lamb got to the point that

2451
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:49,600
it needed that as an expression
of itself into the into the

2452
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:53,160
physical, then that lobe grew
there to enable that

2453
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:58,970
consciousness to actualize that
that feeling or that need.

2454
02:19:59,450 --> 02:20:04,330
So it was the land that grew up
created the lump, not the lump

2455
02:20:04,330 --> 02:20:06,290
that allowed the land to act
that way.

2456
02:20:06,690 --> 02:20:09,170
You see it's just, it's just
backwards.

2457
02:20:09,170 --> 02:20:14,530
So as we grow up and evolve, our
biology changes some.

2458
02:20:15,170 --> 02:20:17,930
It's not exactly the same
biology now it doesn't change

2459
02:20:17,930 --> 02:20:19,970
dramatically.
We don't grow another arm, you

2460
02:20:19,970 --> 02:20:21,530
know, out of our chest or
something, but.

2461
02:20:22,090 --> 02:20:25,170
As far as our indoctrine system
and you know the the the

2462
02:20:25,170 --> 02:20:28,930
immediate rise to anger and a
lot of things like that that

2463
02:20:29,090 --> 02:20:33,970
that we have that the, you know,
hormones get dumped here and

2464
02:20:33,970 --> 02:20:38,290
there and we we react and we
don't have those reactions that

2465
02:20:38,290 --> 02:20:40,290
dies down.
That stuff goes away.

2466
02:20:40,810 --> 02:20:46,930
People who are you know we have
a very large percentage of of

2467
02:20:47,810 --> 02:20:52,050
young to middle-aged females are
taking the things like Prozac

2468
02:20:52,570 --> 02:21:02,410
and serotonin re reuptake
inhibitors to create more what

2469
02:21:02,410 --> 02:21:06,130
serotonin?
Which is a a neurotransmitter.

2470
02:21:06,530 --> 02:21:08,970
So when you get low on
neurotransmitters, it makes you

2471
02:21:08,970 --> 02:21:12,860
a little grouchy and you get a
little, you know, self-centered

2472
02:21:12,860 --> 02:21:14,700
and whatever, it affects your
your mood.

2473
02:21:14,940 --> 02:21:18,300
So you take this medicine and it
the number of neurotransmitters

2474
02:21:18,300 --> 02:21:19,940
goes up and you're happier
again.

2475
02:21:19,940 --> 02:21:24,020
OK, that's the thing.
But what what has happened to

2476
02:21:24,020 --> 02:21:29,380
many of them is that it's not
that there's suddenly a problem

2477
02:21:29,500 --> 02:21:35,220
with brains not making enough
serotonin or reuptaking too much

2478
02:21:35,220 --> 02:21:36,980
of it.
It's not like your biology

2479
02:21:37,380 --> 02:21:41,450
somehow changed.
Your DNA got twisted and now has

2480
02:21:41,490 --> 02:21:43,450
this defect in it.
It's not like that.

2481
02:21:43,450 --> 02:21:48,170
I mean, it's almost endemic.
There's hundreds of millions of

2482
02:21:48,170 --> 02:21:51,970
people with this issue.
What happens is that we have

2483
02:21:53,530 --> 02:21:57,250
people who have lives that
they're not particularly happy

2484
02:21:57,250 --> 02:22:00,450
with.
They don't feel good about

2485
02:22:00,450 --> 02:22:02,730
themselves.
They have negative attitudes

2486
02:22:02,730 --> 02:22:04,850
toward themselves.
They feel insecure.

2487
02:22:05,360 --> 02:22:07,520
They're unsure of who they
should be or what they should

2488
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:09,360
be.
Our culture is particularly hard

2489
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:16,400
on females, and they have this
insecurity and all that

2490
02:22:16,400 --> 02:22:20,800
insecurity creates negativity
towards self, and that

2491
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:25,440
negativity eventually makes your
neurotransmitters start to

2492
02:22:25,800 --> 02:22:28,560
reduce.
Your brain stops making so many

2493
02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:33,540
of them because that that
negative attitude is best

2494
02:22:33,540 --> 02:22:38,860
mirrored in your body with low
number of neurotransmitters.

2495
02:22:38,860 --> 02:22:42,740
So see, it's like the mind
leaves the body reconfigures

2496
02:22:42,740 --> 02:22:46,700
itself to suit that so.
Then they can go in and get

2497
02:22:46,700 --> 02:22:48,860
medicine.
Now it'll pump that back up.

2498
02:22:49,900 --> 02:22:54,020
But they're they're they're not
fixing a problem.

2499
02:22:54,660 --> 02:22:59,820
They're fixing, you know, just a
symptom of the problem.

2500
02:23:00,930 --> 02:23:03,130
And that's partially why it
doesn't work.

2501
02:23:03,130 --> 02:23:06,010
But for so long it works for a
while.

2502
02:23:06,330 --> 02:23:11,450
But the body is still insecure.
I mean the the, the

2503
02:23:11,450 --> 02:23:13,890
consciousness, you know, the
person is still insecure.

2504
02:23:14,170 --> 02:23:16,210
So they're still doing that.
So the medicine after a while

2505
02:23:16,210 --> 02:23:17,970
stops working.
So then you got to get a

2506
02:23:17,970 --> 02:23:20,530
different medicine or this or
that or go off that one.

2507
02:23:20,530 --> 02:23:24,650
And then we play all these these
games with and of course nobody

2508
02:23:24,650 --> 02:23:27,810
knows why that happens and why
it stops working and why.

2509
02:23:28,250 --> 02:23:33,170
But.
It's the biology will adapt to

2510
02:23:33,170 --> 02:23:38,450
the needs of the consciousness
to some extent particularly.

2511
02:23:38,890 --> 02:23:42,770
It to the extent of which
there's lots of uncertainty that

2512
02:23:42,770 --> 02:23:46,050
anything's happened at all.
You know, that's the same way it

2513
02:23:46,050 --> 02:23:48,730
is with your intent modifying
future probability.

2514
02:23:49,210 --> 02:23:54,090
You can only do that when
there's enough uncertainty to to

2515
02:23:54,530 --> 02:23:59,740
cover really what's going on.
So if there's.

2516
02:23:59,780 --> 02:24:02,900
If there's very little
uncertainty, then there's very

2517
02:24:02,900 --> 02:24:06,700
little room to work with, so if
you're going to heal.

2518
02:24:06,700 --> 02:24:09,540
Somebody and and somebody says,
I got this lump here, this

2519
02:24:09,540 --> 02:24:12,060
mushing lump on my neck and I'm
worried about it.

2520
02:24:12,660 --> 02:24:15,420
I'm going to go in the next
month and get a biopsy.

2521
02:24:16,060 --> 02:24:18,460
Okay.
If you're going to try to use

2522
02:24:18,660 --> 02:24:21,500
mental healing there, you should
use it before they get the

2523
02:24:21,500 --> 02:24:25,980
biopsy because once you can,
because there's uncertainty.

2524
02:24:26,510 --> 02:24:29,670
As long as there's uncertainty
what it is, that makes it easier

2525
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:32,910
to modify it.
I know it sounds like a sounds

2526
02:24:32,910 --> 02:24:34,750
like a hocus pocus kind of
thing, right?

2527
02:24:35,390 --> 02:24:38,950
But that makes it easier to work
on and modify it.

2528
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:41,110
So you can do that and the
system will support that.

2529
02:24:41,390 --> 02:24:45,630
But once you have that fact now
oh I took the biopsy and yes and

2530
02:24:45,630 --> 02:24:47,990
you've got cancer and it's this
kind of cancer with these kind

2531
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:50,750
of cells.
Now to make that disappear is a

2532
02:24:50,750 --> 02:24:56,960
different whole category of
trying to heal that because now

2533
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:59,840
we have information that's come
into the reality that defines

2534
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:02,080
that thing is cancer.
Before there was no information

2535
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,080
in this reality that define that
thing is cancer.

2536
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:08,160
There was a lot of probabilities
of what it could be and there

2537
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:12,360
were there were you know
possibilities and a lot of

2538
02:25:12,360 --> 02:25:14,560
possibilities of what it could
be and each one had a

2539
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:17,760
probability.
But when the biopsy's done

2540
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:21,880
random draws taken, that's
whether it's.

2541
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:24,520
Cancerous or not, set from that
random draw.

2542
02:25:25,170 --> 02:25:27,130
Okay.
Well, you can use your intent to

2543
02:25:27,130 --> 02:25:30,450
modify those probabilities to
make the probability of it

2544
02:25:30,450 --> 02:25:33,050
benign greater and the
probability of the cancer is

2545
02:25:33,050 --> 02:25:35,490
smaller.
Now it still may come out cancer

2546
02:25:35,490 --> 02:25:38,130
because it's a random draw from
the probability distribution.

2547
02:25:38,130 --> 02:25:40,690
You know it still could do that,
but you just raise, you just

2548
02:25:40,690 --> 02:25:45,770
change the probability some.
But if you wait until after the

2549
02:25:45,770 --> 02:25:48,450
after the biopsy's done, now all
those probabilities have

2550
02:25:48,450 --> 02:25:50,740
shifted.
Now the probability that it's

2551
02:25:50,740 --> 02:25:54,700
cancer, oh, that's big.
And the probability of you may

2552
02:25:54,820 --> 02:25:59,620
of it just going away, well
that's pretty small, you see now

2553
02:25:59,660 --> 02:26:04,940
if you're very, it's more of A.
Healthy.

2554
02:26:05,260 --> 02:26:07,820
It's from your perspective, then
it's more of a healthy mind,

2555
02:26:07,820 --> 02:26:10,340
healthy body rather than healthy
body, Healthy mind.

2556
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:14,100
It's it's a flip.
Yeah, it's more that way.

2557
02:26:14,100 --> 02:26:18,120
There is, yes.
There is some to that.

2558
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:21,000
You know, if if you if you're an
alcoholic and you stay drunk all

2559
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:23,680
the time, then you're not going
to have a very effective

2560
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:25,960
consciousness either.
You know, because the

2561
02:26:25,960 --> 02:26:29,480
consciousness can only do what
the rule set allows him to do

2562
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:32,560
with that particular avatar.
So if that avatar is an

2563
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:35,600
alcoholic and is is inebriated
all the time, then the

2564
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:39,320
consciousness has to deal with
that avatar that way.

2565
02:26:40,920 --> 02:26:43,360
That's the.
That's what it has to deal with.

2566
02:26:43,360 --> 02:26:46,930
So it has to make choices within
that attitude.

2567
02:26:47,850 --> 02:26:52,090
But remember this this this
consciousness that's playing

2568
02:26:52,570 --> 02:26:57,930
this character doesn't come with
history doesn't come with a with

2569
02:26:57,930 --> 02:27:01,050
a background.
I it I'd really it's it's not

2570
02:27:01,050 --> 02:27:03,250
the free will it's not the
individual unit.

2571
02:27:03,250 --> 02:27:04,810
It's conscious.
It's a subset of the

2572
02:27:04,810 --> 02:27:07,410
individuated unit of concept
called Free Will Awareness Unit,

2573
02:27:07,770 --> 02:27:12,740
and it takes that subset, and in
that subset, there's no there

2574
02:27:12,740 --> 02:27:19,220
are no facts, there's no there's
no history, All there is is.

2575
02:27:19,460 --> 02:27:23,220
Quality of consciousness earned
to that point, you've earned

2576
02:27:23,220 --> 02:27:25,820
this much quality of conscious.
You go with that, You take that

2577
02:27:25,820 --> 02:27:29,260
quality with you, but you don't
take who you used to be, what

2578
02:27:29,260 --> 02:27:31,060
you did.
You know your name in the last

2579
02:27:31,060 --> 02:27:33,540
6, and you know none of that
comes with it.

2580
02:27:33,540 --> 02:27:35,260
Just a quality of conscious, the
only thing.

2581
02:27:35,540 --> 02:27:37,460
Because otherwise you'd be
gaming the system.

2582
02:27:37,460 --> 02:27:41,760
You'd be all, it'd be a mess.
So it doesn't do that.

2583
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:46,640
So that consciousness that that
free will awareness unit logs on

2584
02:27:47,160 --> 02:27:52,600
and when it gets its first data
stream of what that embryo or

2585
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:56,080
what that infant or what that
baby is, is feeling with its

2586
02:27:56,080 --> 02:28:00,160
senses, that's its first piece
of information it's ever had.

2587
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:05,920
So it's life starts there as far
as background and history starts

2588
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:09,280
there, you see.
So you don't have this, this

2589
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:12,440
individuated unit of conscience,
with all its past history and

2590
02:28:12,440 --> 02:28:14,760
knowledge sitting there saying,
oh, what am I going to do with

2591
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:32,960
this drunk?
It's an inside viewpoint.

2592
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:17,120
You know, it doesn't work that
way.

2593
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:20,440
You have something that just got
drunk and it's that way.

2594
02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:23,360
That's the way life is.
That's that's the way your life

2595
02:28:23,360 --> 02:28:26,000
has always been.
So the consciousness now has to

2596
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:30,800
make choices, but not based on
an outside.

2597
02:28:34,690 --> 02:28:35,930
Well, let's say that's the way
life is.

2598
02:28:35,930 --> 02:28:39,010
And this?
Let's use this alcoholic as a as

2599
02:28:39,010 --> 02:28:41,330
there's the example.
Let's say he now reaches this

2600
02:28:41,330 --> 02:28:44,130
climax where things go down and
he dies.

2601
02:28:44,450 --> 02:28:47,370
What then happens to this
conscious experience?

2602
02:28:47,850 --> 02:28:49,090
In essence, what happens after
death?

2603
02:28:49,890 --> 02:28:53,490
OK, what happens after death?
Funny how so many people are

2604
02:28:53,490 --> 02:28:56,890
interested in that.
What happens after death and?

2605
02:28:56,890 --> 02:28:59,810
I should tell you right away in
the beginning the reason I know

2606
02:28:59,810 --> 02:29:04,830
this is for several reasons.
One, you can be with a person

2607
02:29:05,870 --> 02:29:09,750
before they die, as they die,
and afterwards you can just hang

2608
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:11,750
with them.
You know, just like you can go

2609
02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:15,390
out of body and and see things,
you can remote view and get

2610
02:29:15,390 --> 02:29:17,790
information.
You can be with that person.

2611
02:29:17,950 --> 02:29:19,830
You again, everything's
information.

2612
02:29:20,030 --> 02:29:22,710
You can get that information of
what that person is feeling and

2613
02:29:22,710 --> 02:29:25,990
what they're thinking and so on
and what they're seeing and

2614
02:29:25,990 --> 02:29:28,430
hearing.
And you can connect with that

2615
02:29:28,750 --> 02:29:32,410
line of data and follow it all
the way through the process.

2616
02:29:32,410 --> 02:29:35,290
So in that way you can
experience the process.

2617
02:29:35,650 --> 02:29:37,770
And it's not always the same
process for everybody.

2618
02:29:37,770 --> 02:29:40,810
It's it's not.
It's individual to in some

2619
02:29:41,210 --> 02:29:43,210
aspects of it, in some aspects
it's not.

2620
02:29:43,210 --> 02:29:46,970
It's common.
The other way is that when many

2621
02:29:46,970 --> 02:29:50,330
years ago when I was just
learning these things, I was

2622
02:29:50,330 --> 02:29:54,850
given a job in that transition
reality, which is where you end

2623
02:29:54,850 --> 02:29:56,810
up going to another virtual
reality.

2624
02:29:57,330 --> 02:30:00,400
You see virtual realities.
If any place that you can

2625
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:02,600
experience, if any reality,
you're in it that's

2626
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:05,480
experiential.
It's a virtual reality.

2627
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:08,080
The only thing is not virtual is
consciousness.

2628
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:11,000
Consciousness is fundamental.
All other realities are virtual

2629
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:14,040
realities, OK, So you end up in
another virtual reality.

2630
02:30:14,320 --> 02:30:17,720
And that virtual reality is
where people is, where entities

2631
02:30:17,720 --> 02:30:21,400
come after they've died.
And I've been there and spent

2632
02:30:21,400 --> 02:30:24,600
some time there, you know,
basically had a job there, if

2633
02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:27,800
you will, just so I could
understand how that worked.

2634
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:31,470
So I have it from.
And I've done both of those

2635
02:30:31,510 --> 02:30:34,230
multiple times.
So that's where I come from.

2636
02:30:34,590 --> 02:30:36,310
That's my database, it's where I
come from.

2637
02:30:36,310 --> 02:30:38,710
It's from those experiences,
Everything.

2638
02:30:39,630 --> 02:30:42,430
Everything that I say comes from
my own personal experiences.

2639
02:30:42,590 --> 02:30:45,870
That's why I called it my big
toe, because a lot of it was

2640
02:30:46,030 --> 02:30:50,750
based on my experience.
And my experience is not

2641
02:30:50,750 --> 02:30:55,380
objective, it's subjective.
So you can't believe it if it's

2642
02:30:55,380 --> 02:30:58,260
not your own experience.
I tell people, don't believe me,

2643
02:30:58,260 --> 02:31:00,140
you know, it's got to be your
own experience.

2644
02:31:00,700 --> 02:31:03,700
This is my experience.
Just if it helps you and makes

2645
02:31:03,700 --> 02:31:05,940
you, helps you understand and
you feel better, good.

2646
02:31:06,340 --> 02:31:08,620
If you think it's trash, well
throw it away.

2647
02:31:08,620 --> 02:31:11,460
You know, this is my experience,
it's my big toe, not yours.

2648
02:31:11,740 --> 02:31:17,420
But you can use my big toe as a
as a, you know, a place to start

2649
02:31:17,420 --> 02:31:20,500
if you like, for your own big
toe, come to your own

2650
02:31:20,500 --> 02:31:24,760
conclusions.
So anyway, what happens is, is

2651
02:31:24,760 --> 02:31:34,240
that the person who dies
immediately, they are aware, and

2652
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:38,240
they're aware that they're not,
you know, like Dorothy, they're

2653
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:39,840
aware that they're not in Kansas
anymore.

2654
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:42,320
They're aware that they're
aware, but they're not in their

2655
02:31:42,320 --> 02:31:44,720
old life.
So it's what's going on.

2656
02:31:44,720 --> 02:31:46,200
Where am I?
Kind of a thing?

2657
02:31:46,850 --> 02:31:52,170
And immediately.
They remember their where they

2658
02:31:52,170 --> 02:31:54,930
were, what they were just doing,
kind of their past life is there

2659
02:31:54,930 --> 02:31:59,290
and it's clear, but very quickly
it fades, just like dreams fade.

2660
02:31:59,850 --> 02:32:03,290
You wake up with a dream.
Oh, you got every detail. 30

2661
02:32:03,290 --> 02:32:06,890
seconds later, you got a little
bit of it, you know, 10 minutes

2662
02:32:06,890 --> 02:32:07,890
later, Huh?
Yeah.

2663
02:32:07,890 --> 02:32:09,330
OK.
These were the main elements,

2664
02:32:09,330 --> 02:32:10,930
but I don't remember any
details.

2665
02:32:11,290 --> 02:32:15,760
It's like that your your your
past life leaves like it just

2666
02:32:15,960 --> 02:32:21,040
evaporates, like dreams
evaporate, so you find yourself.

2667
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:28,000
And then you find yourself
either just automatically in the

2668
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:33,000
transition reality, or often
people have beliefs that they

2669
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:35,320
can't go someplace without
moving.

2670
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:38,560
If that's a belief that you pick
up in this reality frame,

2671
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:40,400
because that's the way this
reality frame works.

2672
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:44,360
But you have it as a belief, so
now they're here and they want

2673
02:32:44,360 --> 02:32:47,160
to hear nothing's really
happening.

2674
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:51,080
So they want to go somewhere
else, but they have to travel to

2675
02:32:51,080 --> 02:32:54,080
do that.
So they will imagine a tunnel,

2676
02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:56,440
and the reason they need a
tunnel is.

2677
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:59,760
So that they can see the walls
going by because then that

2678
02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:02,680
allows them to move.
It's a belief.

2679
02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:06,640
So that tunnel is there
basically to serve a belief that

2680
02:33:06,640 --> 02:33:10,280
you can't move unless you, you
know you can't go someplace

2681
02:33:10,280 --> 02:33:13,260
unless you move.
So they create this tunnel that

2682
02:33:13,540 --> 02:33:17,260
then now they can be someplace.
Else they're moving.

2683
02:33:18,420 --> 02:33:21,820
So a lot of the things we
experience are things we create

2684
02:33:21,820 --> 02:33:25,460
to satisfy our beliefs that we
can't function without the

2685
02:33:25,460 --> 02:33:28,500
beliefs.
So you may find somebody.

2686
02:33:28,500 --> 02:33:32,020
Sees a tunnel or they see some
light over there and they if

2687
02:33:32,020 --> 02:33:34,700
they don't need a tunnel, they
can just kind of will.

2688
02:33:34,700 --> 02:33:37,740
So I'd like to go over there and
they start to go there.

2689
02:33:37,740 --> 02:33:40,460
It's just will.
But for many, it's like, well,

2690
02:33:41,650 --> 02:33:45,370
you know, I have to move through
a tunnel and they get there and

2691
02:33:45,370 --> 02:33:49,370
basically they it's like the
Walmart greeter, you know, they

2692
02:33:49,370 --> 02:33:54,250
get somebody who's who's very
upbeat, smiley, positive

2693
02:33:54,370 --> 02:33:56,410
attitude.
Everything's fine, great.

2694
02:33:56,410 --> 02:33:58,770
Nothing scary here, you know,
that kind of thing.

2695
02:33:58,770 --> 02:34:01,410
Because what you're trying to do
or what the system's trying to

2696
02:34:01,410 --> 02:34:03,290
do is to just get those people
to let go.

2697
02:34:03,770 --> 02:34:06,570
Just relax and let go.
It's done, Okay.

2698
02:34:06,570 --> 02:34:08,130
Now the memory's starting to
fade.

2699
02:34:09,630 --> 02:34:11,990
They're seeing this other.
So now this becomes their

2700
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:14,070
reality.
Not that that's kind of going

2701
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:17,070
away.
They're in this process and the

2702
02:34:17,070 --> 02:34:21,310
person talks to him, welcomes
them, and if they seem to be a

2703
02:34:21,310 --> 02:34:24,910
little skittish, brings up
family and stuff that's already

2704
02:34:24,910 --> 02:34:29,070
died to say hello.
But all of that is just made-up.

2705
02:34:29,070 --> 02:34:31,270
It's not.
Really family or whatever.

2706
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:34,750
It's just images to make the
person feel better.

2707
02:34:34,870 --> 02:34:39,220
So it brings up stuff out of the
database and pictures that look

2708
02:34:39,220 --> 02:34:42,660
right and sound right.
And person stole the, you know,

2709
02:34:42,660 --> 02:34:44,660
go stand in line or go do this
or that.

2710
02:34:44,660 --> 02:34:45,260
Yeah.
OK.

2711
02:34:45,260 --> 02:34:46,860
See, see the girl over there?
Yeah.

2712
02:34:47,100 --> 02:34:49,300
She'll have your name go over
and she'll tell you what to do.

2713
02:34:49,700 --> 02:34:54,020
And it's just busy work.
It's make work basically to to

2714
02:34:54,340 --> 02:34:58,980
to get time to pass so that that
dream can fade, so that they can

2715
02:34:58,980 --> 02:35:02,380
kind of adjust to being
someplace else, adjust to the

2716
02:35:02,380 --> 02:35:06,540
idea that the someplace else is
not threatening and not scary

2717
02:35:07,460 --> 02:35:14,300
and then eventually they will be
helped to come up with the next

2718
02:35:14,940 --> 02:35:16,020
lifetime.
Enough.

2719
02:35:16,060 --> 02:35:18,460
I call it an experience packet
because I'd like to avoid all

2720
02:35:18,460 --> 02:35:24,180
those old words like, you know,
yeah, that that that have other

2721
02:35:24,180 --> 02:35:26,740
connotations that belong to
religious things and whatever.

2722
02:35:26,740 --> 02:35:28,260
So I just call it an experience
packet.

2723
02:35:28,580 --> 02:35:31,420
So they get counseled a little
bit depends on where they are

2724
02:35:31,420 --> 02:35:36,050
now, if they're just first in,
if, if this is new kind of to

2725
02:35:36,050 --> 02:35:38,530
them, they don't have much
counseling.

2726
02:35:38,530 --> 02:35:40,690
It's just in and out.
They just need experience.

2727
02:35:40,690 --> 02:35:43,210
They just need to go through a
bunch of lifetimes and gather

2728
02:35:43,210 --> 02:35:44,850
experience.
So they don't really give it a

2729
02:35:44,850 --> 02:35:48,450
whole lot of thought.
Jump in, jump out, jump back in.

2730
02:35:48,930 --> 02:35:52,290
After a while, you do need to
give it a little thought because

2731
02:35:52,290 --> 02:35:54,690
there's certain ways that you've
grown and other ways not so

2732
02:35:54,690 --> 02:35:56,530
much.
So you need to work on that

2733
02:35:56,530 --> 02:35:57,890
stuff.
That's not so much.

2734
02:35:58,450 --> 02:36:01,730
So you tend to get a little more
counseling, a little more

2735
02:36:01,730 --> 02:36:03,970
thought goes into it, to where
you get placed.

2736
02:36:04,250 --> 02:36:06,570
And you, you always have free
will.

2737
02:36:06,570 --> 02:36:08,930
You can always say no, I don't
want to go there or I don't want

2738
02:36:08,930 --> 02:36:11,490
to do that.
Or, you know, I only want to go

2739
02:36:11,490 --> 02:36:14,690
someplace where my parents are
rich, you know, I had enough

2740
02:36:14,690 --> 02:36:18,770
poverty in the last one, you
know, and you can do that.

2741
02:36:18,770 --> 02:36:21,730
And they'll either say, well,
just sit out for a while or

2742
02:36:21,730 --> 02:36:24,960
they'll find something that
suits what you want and and you

2743
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:27,240
go.
So that's kind of the the thing,

2744
02:36:27,240 --> 02:36:31,680
It's just a process to let you
let go, forget, give it up, and

2745
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:34,240
then eventually get bored.
So you're ready to go do

2746
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:37,160
something else.
That's how it works for most

2747
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:40,320
people.
Some people come in and they're

2748
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:43,840
they're what would be the right
word to?

2749
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:48,550
Say they're, like traumatized by
their religion.

2750
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:50,270
Then they think something awful
is going to happen.

2751
02:36:50,270 --> 02:36:52,270
And they know they've been
really bad little boys and

2752
02:36:52,270 --> 02:36:55,190
girls, and they're expecting,
you know, some kind of awful

2753
02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:57,990
thing.
And they will see and imagine

2754
02:36:57,990 --> 02:37:00,270
and basically create awful
things.

2755
02:37:00,590 --> 02:37:03,430
And it takes a little bit of
time for people to go over and

2756
02:37:03,430 --> 02:37:05,310
do a little hand holding.
Everything's going to be all

2757
02:37:05,310 --> 02:37:06,190
right.
Come on.

2758
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:10,230
So they have a little more
trouble because they come in

2759
02:37:10,990 --> 02:37:16,110
basically obsessed with with
negativity and negative issues.

2760
02:37:17,780 --> 02:37:20,820
There are those that are old
hands have been around a lot and

2761
02:37:20,820 --> 02:37:24,100
they just they just kind of skip
the hand holding and don't need

2762
02:37:24,100 --> 02:37:28,300
to stand in line and they just
go on and start to reprocess and

2763
02:37:28,300 --> 02:37:31,220
start to negotiate on what they
want to do next.

2764
02:37:31,220 --> 02:37:33,500
You know it's a very quick
process for them.

2765
02:37:33,500 --> 02:37:36,660
They don't have to go through a
waiting period, but it's that

2766
02:37:36,660 --> 02:37:41,260
kind of a thing and anything can
happen there that helps that

2767
02:37:41,260 --> 02:37:43,540
person relax and let go of
things.

2768
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:46,680
Yeah.
So that's the whole point of it.

2769
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:49,360
How do you get how do you attain
this type of information?

2770
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:53,720
How do I?
Attain what this information

2771
02:37:53,720 --> 02:37:55,400
that you that?
You've gathered over time.

2772
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:56,960
How do you attain this
information?

2773
02:37:56,960 --> 02:38:00,520
How do you get it and gather it?
Well, that's what I said in the

2774
02:38:00,520 --> 02:38:02,520
beginning.
You can either go with a person

2775
02:38:02,760 --> 02:38:07,160
while they're dying and just
hang out, watch, see what goes

2776
02:38:07,160 --> 02:38:10,400
on, and what you do is you
connect with their

2777
02:38:10,400 --> 02:38:14,630
consciousness, OK?
Every consciousness is is on the

2778
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:17,030
net.
All consciousness is netted.

2779
02:38:17,630 --> 02:38:20,550
So you can't open the, you know,
it's like web pages.

2780
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:23,310
You know all the web pages are
all on the net, but you don't

2781
02:38:23,310 --> 02:38:26,150
look at all of them.
Some of them you really don't

2782
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:29,390
want to look at, you know, some
of them are pretty nasty, so

2783
02:38:29,390 --> 02:38:31,230
you're careful about what you
do.

2784
02:38:31,670 --> 02:38:36,270
But if you click on the URL,
you'll see that web page.

2785
02:38:36,270 --> 02:38:41,860
Well, if you put an intent to
share that person's mind that

2786
02:38:42,100 --> 02:38:44,460
then you can connect with them
mentally.

2787
02:38:44,740 --> 02:38:46,380
You're aware of what they're
aware of.

2788
02:38:46,740 --> 02:38:48,780
You can see what they see, hear
what they hear.

2789
02:38:48,780 --> 02:38:51,700
You can just connect with them
because all consciousness is is

2790
02:38:51,700 --> 02:38:54,580
netted.
It takes some skill to learn how

2791
02:38:54,580 --> 02:38:57,580
to do that, but it's a skill
that you can, that you can learn

2792
02:38:57,980 --> 02:39:01,300
so that you just kind of meld
with them and then follow them,

2793
02:39:01,300 --> 02:39:04,900
just go with them and experience
what they experience.

2794
02:39:05,380 --> 02:39:08,460
So you're getting it really from
their experience.

2795
02:39:08,980 --> 02:39:10,900
You're experiencing what they
experience.

2796
02:39:11,640 --> 02:39:16,880
The other way was like I said I
was, I was put there in this, in

2797
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:21,480
this virtual.
Reality where people come in and

2798
02:39:21,480 --> 02:39:24,280
they just relax, let go, you
know, what would you like to do

2799
02:39:24,280 --> 02:39:27,080
next?
And and and so on.

2800
02:39:27,080 --> 02:39:28,880
They get also assessed a little
bit.

2801
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:33,000
What do they need?
You get mostly help from the

2802
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:36,000
system because you don't know
what you need so much.

2803
02:39:37,240 --> 02:39:38,680
You know you don't know where
you're going to go.

2804
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:40,840
You don't know where some family
is that suits you.

2805
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:42,800
I mean, you have no idea about
any of that stuff.

2806
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:45,280
So you get some help, but it's
always you know.

2807
02:39:45,800 --> 02:39:48,680
It's like you're the you're the
client, you know, the people

2808
02:39:48,680 --> 02:39:51,200
that know have information.
They talk with you.

2809
02:39:51,960 --> 02:39:56,480
So you do, you do that.
So you I was there for a while

2810
02:39:56,480 --> 02:39:58,840
and was like part of the
greeting process.

2811
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:02,520
I would greet people.
As they would come in and just.

2812
02:40:03,050 --> 02:40:04,930
You know, I was like the Walmart
greeter, you know?

2813
02:40:04,930 --> 02:40:06,290
Yeah, sure.
Come on over here.

2814
02:40:06,450 --> 02:40:07,970
I didn't have any particular
skills.

2815
02:40:08,290 --> 02:40:12,770
I just, I was just a happy face
and and you know, and a smiling

2816
02:40:12,770 --> 02:40:15,690
attitude and that kind of thing
for a while.

2817
02:40:16,130 --> 02:40:18,290
And I just kind of wandered
around.

2818
02:40:18,290 --> 02:40:22,330
I was put there just to learn,
just so that I would understand

2819
02:40:22,770 --> 02:40:25,490
the process.
So that's what is kind of

2820
02:40:25,490 --> 02:40:28,730
typical for people, but you got,
you know, there's people.

2821
02:40:29,390 --> 02:40:30,950
Come in, you know the fat part
of the curve.

2822
02:40:30,950 --> 02:40:32,790
It's typical.
And you always got people that

2823
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:36,230
are outliers, you know, like the
people who are totally, you

2824
02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:39,990
know, bananas about their
religious beliefs and things

2825
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:41,630
like that.
So they're kind of outliers.

2826
02:40:41,630 --> 02:40:47,070
But typically it's just like I
described and people very

2827
02:40:47,070 --> 02:40:51,470
quickly kind of forget what they
were doing, kind of get

2828
02:40:51,470 --> 02:40:54,870
interested in other things, get
interested in other

2829
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:57,750
possibilities of what they might
do and.

2830
02:40:58,710 --> 02:41:02,270
So they what's happening what's
happening at the consciousness

2831
02:41:02,270 --> 02:41:05,670
level is that that partition at
the individualated unit of

2832
02:41:05,670 --> 02:41:08,110
consciousness that partitions
off this free will awareness

2833
02:41:08,110 --> 02:41:10,830
unit.
As soon as that that death takes

2834
02:41:10,830 --> 02:41:14,070
place, that partition starts to
come down because that partition

2835
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:20,630
was just there for that subset
of consciousness to to make

2836
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:24,110
choices for that avatar.
So that petition comes down and

2837
02:41:24,110 --> 02:41:26,310
the time they're up in the in
the.

2838
02:41:28,210 --> 02:41:32,210
The reality where they're just
relaxing now that petitions come

2839
02:41:32,210 --> 02:41:35,130
down and they're really seeing
things now more from the

2840
02:41:35,130 --> 02:41:38,890
viewpoint of their I UOC.
They do have some history now.

2841
02:41:39,250 --> 02:41:42,290
They do have a deeper
understanding, you know,

2842
02:41:42,290 --> 02:41:46,210
somewhat of what's going on, not
necessarily everything, but they

2843
02:41:46,210 --> 02:41:51,090
do have a little deeper sense of
of what's happening and how it's

2844
02:41:51,090 --> 02:41:55,200
going because they've got.
My partition has is is in the

2845
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:59,120
process of of coming down and
they're reintegrating with the I

2846
02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:01,760
UO C's because it's the I UOC
that actually does the

2847
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:05,120
negotiating for what the next
time is, because it's the one

2848
02:42:05,440 --> 02:42:09,480
that has all the history, all
the incarnations, all the

2849
02:42:09,480 --> 02:42:13,000
lifetimes that you've had.
And basically it's looking for

2850
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:15,840
trends, for problems, for
issues.

2851
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:18,480
Oh yeah, in the last six you
know there's been this problem

2852
02:42:18,480 --> 02:42:21,480
has turned up.
So we need to work on this

2853
02:42:21,480 --> 02:42:23,880
problem.
So let's find you know let's let

2854
02:42:23,880 --> 02:42:28,000
the system know that that we
want something like this or it's

2855
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:31,520
had problems, it's de evolved
maybe and it's got hung up in

2856
02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:33,960
these kinds of things.
So you want to let the system

2857
02:42:33,960 --> 02:42:35,920
know I don't want to challenge
in that area.

2858
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:37,880
I'm not doing well there.
You know I need something a

2859
02:42:37,880 --> 02:42:44,480
little easier than that because
I'm I'm not making good choices.

2860
02:42:44,760 --> 02:42:48,520
So let me back off and and and
get something a little simpler

2861
02:42:49,080 --> 02:42:52,050
next time.
And tell me, Tom, how would

2862
02:42:52,050 --> 02:42:54,210
someone who's?
Skeptical or curious?

2863
02:42:54,210 --> 02:42:55,050
How?
How would they?

2864
02:42:55,050 --> 02:42:56,770
Who's never done this before,
never experienced it?

2865
02:42:56,770 --> 02:42:59,010
How do they learn how to do this
or or get to them?

2866
02:42:59,370 --> 02:43:02,330
Well, first of all, when they
hear me say these things.

2867
02:43:02,330 --> 02:43:05,330
They should be skeptical.
Yeah, because I'm skeptical.

2868
02:43:05,330 --> 02:43:06,250
But I'm curious.
Well.

2869
02:43:06,370 --> 02:43:08,490
How do you get they should be
skeptical?

2870
02:43:08,490 --> 02:43:11,490
Because they shouldn't.
Believe anything I say, because

2871
02:43:11,490 --> 02:43:14,930
if it's not their experience,
it's not their truth, all right.

2872
02:43:14,930 --> 02:43:18,250
But they should realize that
there's a lot of room.

2873
02:43:18,650 --> 02:43:22,970
Between zero and one, you know,
probability being zero and one.

2874
02:43:22,970 --> 02:43:24,730
One is yes, absolutely.
That's it.

2875
02:43:24,730 --> 02:43:27,090
And zero, no, no way.
You know, can't be.

2876
02:43:27,570 --> 02:43:29,090
There's a lot of room in between
there.

2877
02:43:29,370 --> 02:43:32,290
So you could say okay.
Well, Tom seems like he's not

2878
02:43:32,290 --> 02:43:34,050
trying to hustle or sell me
anything.

2879
02:43:34,050 --> 02:43:38,170
So I'll give it a 60% that he
really knows what he's talking

2880
02:43:38,170 --> 02:43:39,690
about.
And that's not just some belief

2881
02:43:39,690 --> 02:43:42,410
he has.
So you give it a 60%.

2882
02:43:42,730 --> 02:43:47,410
Now you'd like to find out on
your own, okay, so you.

2883
02:43:49,590 --> 02:43:52,910
You take an opportunity when
there's somebody you know who is

2884
02:43:52,910 --> 02:43:57,430
dying and you go with them, OK,
now you can.

2885
02:43:57,430 --> 02:44:04,150
You can do that.
By practicing first with

2886
02:44:04,950 --> 02:44:08,070
connecting to another.
Person's mind, you know, mind to

2887
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:12,390
mind connections.
And you can practice that by

2888
02:44:12,470 --> 02:44:16,070
just having conversations with
people, talking to people,

2889
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:20,870
interacting with people.
And you can use that skill.

2890
02:44:21,270 --> 02:44:24,430
You know, I'm talking over
fairly long times here.

2891
02:44:24,430 --> 02:44:26,510
You know, there's not something
you're going to learn in a day.

2892
02:44:26,950 --> 02:44:29,110
It's something you're going to
learn in a decade.

2893
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:32,110
You know, something you're going
to learn more more slowly,

2894
02:44:32,110 --> 02:44:34,870
because you really have to learn
it at the being level.

2895
02:44:35,190 --> 02:44:37,550
Not it's nothing you can do with
your intellect.

2896
02:44:37,550 --> 02:44:40,270
Your intellect is is out of the
picture altogether.

2897
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:42,510
Matter of fact, if your
intellect tries to get into the

2898
02:44:42,510 --> 02:44:45,190
picture, it'll it'll ruin the
whole process.

2899
02:44:45,470 --> 02:44:46,950
It won't work with your
intellect.

2900
02:44:47,410 --> 02:44:49,250
That's not how your intellect
processes.

2901
02:44:49,730 --> 02:44:54,290
So you practice mind to mind
communications with people.

2902
02:44:54,850 --> 02:45:02,250
Now you can learn this by taking
play, coming up with things that

2903
02:45:02,250 --> 02:45:06,250
are that are let's say,
meaningful to you.

2904
02:45:06,250 --> 02:45:12,410
Let's say you and your child or
your spouse or your best friend

2905
02:45:13,010 --> 02:45:15,730
have some kind of issue has come
between you.

2906
02:45:16,400 --> 02:45:18,920
Or maybe it's somebody who you
really don't even like that

2907
02:45:18,920 --> 02:45:21,800
much, somebody you have to work
with, that you kind of chafe.

2908
02:45:22,120 --> 02:45:25,720
When you work with that person,
well, go to that person.

2909
02:45:25,720 --> 02:45:27,240
If you.
If you know how to meditate, get

2910
02:45:27,240 --> 02:45:29,520
in a meditation state.
Quiet your mind.

2911
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:32,640
If you don't know how to
meditate, just be quiet and and

2912
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:36,440
and relax and let go and get
your intellect to sit down and

2913
02:45:36,440 --> 02:45:39,200
and be quiet for a while.
And that's good enough.

2914
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:42,360
That's really all you have to do
and go talk to that person.

2915
02:45:43,240 --> 02:45:45,930
Have a.
Have a you know, a good sit

2916
02:45:45,930 --> 02:45:51,250
down, talk with them and be
aware that you should not.

2917
02:45:51,810 --> 02:45:55,410
Try to overrun their free will.
In other words, manipulate them.

2918
02:45:55,930 --> 02:45:58,570
You should not manipulate them.
You should not try to put any

2919
02:45:58,570 --> 02:46:02,490
ideas into their head.
You should just share the way

2920
02:46:02,490 --> 02:46:06,090
you feel and ways that you think
that might improve that

2921
02:46:06,090 --> 02:46:09,290
situation.
You can say I know we have some

2922
02:46:09,370 --> 02:46:12,430
some issues and.
I don't like the issues we're

2923
02:46:12,430 --> 02:46:14,430
having.
I'd like to resolve them and I

2924
02:46:14,430 --> 02:46:16,790
don't know that we've had time
to sit down and talk about it.

2925
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:19,710
You know, we some things are
just hard to talk about.

2926
02:46:19,710 --> 02:46:22,350
You know with some people a lot
of water under the bridge, you

2927
02:46:22,350 --> 02:46:24,070
know maybe makes it hard to talk
about.

2928
02:46:24,350 --> 02:46:28,790
So you just have a a good
session and they will talk back

2929
02:46:28,790 --> 02:46:31,510
to you and you interact and that
that practices it.

2930
02:46:31,790 --> 02:46:36,310
Not only that, you will be so
pleased at how that fixes the

2931
02:46:36,310 --> 02:46:38,830
relationships and these
connections that aren't working,

2932
02:46:38,830 --> 02:46:42,580
well, it actually will fix it.
Because the person you talk to

2933
02:46:42,580 --> 02:46:46,420
though, they won't get it in
their intellect unless they're

2934
02:46:46,420 --> 02:46:49,740
also or maybe in a meditation
state or sensitive.

2935
02:46:50,100 --> 02:46:53,620
But they will get it.
They'll get the information and

2936
02:46:53,620 --> 02:46:58,140
you will be able to heal things
that are problems for you.

2937
02:46:58,140 --> 02:47:02,260
You'll be able to fix things
and, but you always have to be

2938
02:47:02,260 --> 02:47:06,380
respectful and you have to not
manipulate.

2939
02:47:07,630 --> 02:47:11,150
And and have their interest.
You know, you have to consider

2940
02:47:11,150 --> 02:47:14,350
them have respect for them being
the way they are.

2941
02:47:14,630 --> 02:47:17,030
You don't go in and and say well
you're really wrong and I'll

2942
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:18,990
screw it up.
You know here you need to change

2943
02:47:18,990 --> 02:47:21,910
and here's how you know what
you'll get is I'll push back

2944
02:47:22,110 --> 02:47:24,870
right away with that.
You know turn the turn that

2945
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:26,510
Channel off.
You know don't like that

2946
02:47:26,510 --> 02:47:28,870
Channel.
So you have to be nice and

2947
02:47:28,870 --> 02:47:33,270
respectful and polite and
curious about trying to do

2948
02:47:33,270 --> 02:47:35,230
better, and things will be
better for both of you.

2949
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:41,120
So if you practice those kinds
of things, you can get better at

2950
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:43,000
it.
To where it's easy for you to

2951
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:44,680
make a connection with
somebody's mind.

2952
02:47:44,680 --> 02:47:47,040
You can drop into it and do it.
You don't really have to get in

2953
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:49,880
the meditation state.
The more you practice, easier it

2954
02:47:49,880 --> 02:47:54,800
gets.
You also can find things that

2955
02:47:54,800 --> 02:48:00,360
are that are evidential.
Let's say Uncle Harry just died.

2956
02:48:00,360 --> 02:48:04,160
And his wife, you know, your
Aunt Susie, she's still, she's

2957
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:06,920
still around.
And you have access to Aunt

2958
02:48:06,920 --> 02:48:08,520
Susie.
You can see her call her up on a

2959
02:48:08,520 --> 02:48:11,840
telephone or something.
So then you go talk to her dead

2960
02:48:11,840 --> 02:48:15,880
husband and try to find out some
things that will be evidential.

2961
02:48:16,520 --> 02:48:21,600
How did you two meet?
You know what the you know, just

2962
02:48:21,800 --> 02:48:23,720
things.
Have conversation and try to

2963
02:48:23,720 --> 02:48:26,040
come up with things that are
evidential that then you can

2964
02:48:26,040 --> 02:48:28,400
call up Aunt Susie and say Aunt
Susie.

2965
02:48:28,600 --> 02:48:32,480
Did he really drop a frog in
your dress when when you were

2966
02:48:32,480 --> 02:48:34,680
dating?
You know, and she'll be able to

2967
02:48:34,680 --> 02:48:38,320
tell you whether she did or not.
So you can do things like that.

2968
02:48:38,320 --> 02:48:41,080
That's a little harder because
you have to find evidential

2969
02:48:41,320 --> 02:48:43,040
things again.
It takes time.

2970
02:48:43,080 --> 02:48:47,240
It may take you a bunch of times
before you get enough evidence

2971
02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:50,640
that that you know that you
really were talking to that to

2972
02:48:50,640 --> 02:48:56,880
that person.
It's great with children

2973
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:00,000
particularly.
If you have children in there,

2974
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:05,690
you know 13 to.
To 18 range because often

2975
02:49:05,690 --> 02:49:09,570
they're hard to talk to.
Often it's difficult to talk

2976
02:49:09,810 --> 02:49:12,170
face.
To face because they they know

2977
02:49:12,170 --> 02:49:14,650
you're there trying to tell them
what to do and how to do it and

2978
02:49:14,650 --> 02:49:16,690
they resent that and they you
know back off.

2979
02:49:16,690 --> 02:49:22,010
But if you talk to them in a in
a very positive way, they do get

2980
02:49:22,010 --> 02:49:27,690
it and you can tell, but the
things they do and say later.

2981
02:49:27,690 --> 02:49:32,410
That they did get it.
Yeah, it's again, it takes some

2982
02:49:32,410 --> 02:49:35,450
cases will be more, it's like a
potential than others.

2983
02:49:36,010 --> 02:49:38,130
It's like a heightened theory of
mind in a sense.

2984
02:49:39,370 --> 02:49:42,330
Just like a theory of mind.
Yeah, so you can.

2985
02:49:42,890 --> 02:49:44,890
Well, it's just that.
All consciousness is netted.

2986
02:49:44,890 --> 02:49:48,090
You can talk to your dog, too,
and find out what's on his mind,

2987
02:49:48,410 --> 02:49:51,450
but that's a little difficult
because you're talking to a mind

2988
02:49:51,450 --> 02:49:53,930
that works in dog space and in
dog space.

2989
02:49:54,420 --> 02:49:56,180
It's not the same reality that
we live in.

2990
02:49:56,180 --> 02:49:59,660
So you don't, you know, it's a
little harder, but you can still

2991
02:49:59,660 --> 02:50:02,860
get feelings across pretty well
in dog space.

2992
02:50:03,980 --> 02:50:07,060
Dogs do it all the time.
Dogs do, they tune into their

2993
02:50:07,060 --> 02:50:09,780
owners a lot of times.
They know what you're thinking

2994
02:50:09,780 --> 02:50:12,260
and what you're feeling.
They they kind of tune into your

2995
02:50:12,580 --> 02:50:14,940
your mind space.
But it's it.

2996
02:50:14,940 --> 02:50:18,380
The people aren't as, aren't as
good at it as dogs are.

2997
02:50:19,140 --> 02:50:21,100
Dogs don't have language, so
they have to.

2998
02:50:21,260 --> 02:50:23,570
They have to do other thing.
Is that the?

2999
02:50:23,650 --> 02:50:25,250
So for the?
There's a reason why I didn't.

3000
02:50:25,250 --> 02:50:28,330
Actually bring up the out of
body paranormal as much as I

3001
02:50:28,330 --> 02:50:30,810
wanted to because I think we'll
save that for around 2:00.

3002
02:50:30,850 --> 02:50:33,890
What I do wanna ask you though
is so I actually said because I

3003
02:50:33,890 --> 02:50:37,930
find your work with the Bob
Monroe and and the other aspects

3004
02:50:37,930 --> 02:50:39,610
of your work very fascinating as
well.

3005
02:50:39,610 --> 02:50:41,450
And I think at some point we
should definitely discuss it.

3006
02:50:41,450 --> 02:50:44,890
But something I do wanna touch
on is in this virtual reality in

3007
02:50:44,890 --> 02:50:47,370
the simulation.
I think it goes without question

3008
02:50:47,370 --> 02:50:51,990
to at some point ask what about.
You already mentioned other

3009
02:50:51,990 --> 02:50:54,910
virtual realities, but what
about the ones we're creating

3010
02:50:54,910 --> 02:50:57,510
currently, the virtual worlds
we're creating with computers,

3011
02:50:57,950 --> 02:51:01,190
artificial intelligence, and how
these all sort of align now with

3012
02:51:01,190 --> 02:51:04,750
this within the simulation?
It's like Inception with

3013
02:51:04,750 --> 02:51:07,590
simulations at this point.
Yes, now.

3014
02:51:08,190 --> 02:51:11,310
Here's the way that works.
And we can even throw in because

3015
02:51:11,310 --> 02:51:13,910
it's in the same kind of
neighborhood we can throw in

3016
02:51:13,990 --> 02:51:17,290
conscious computers with.
With this as well, because once

3017
02:51:17,290 --> 02:51:19,850
we talk about computers and
computing, computing, virtual

3018
02:51:19,850 --> 02:51:24,410
realities, yes you can.
You can nest virtual reality.

3019
02:51:24,450 --> 02:51:26,650
You can have a virtual reality
and a virtual reality and a

3020
02:51:26,650 --> 02:51:28,010
virtual reality.
You can nest them.

3021
02:51:28,690 --> 02:51:36,530
Now, in the in in, what can we
say in in the actual world where

3022
02:51:36,530 --> 02:51:39,490
this is done, in the actual
world of consciousness, you

3023
02:51:39,490 --> 02:51:43,730
don't have much nesting going on
because it's a it's an inferior

3024
02:51:44,010 --> 02:51:47,840
computer science.
Process when you nest things,

3025
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:50,920
then everything in.
Let's say here's a here's a

3026
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:54,520
virtual reality and it's nested.
It has another one nested and

3027
02:51:54,520 --> 02:51:56,640
another one nested.
So there's three of them, the

3028
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:58,440
first one, the second one, and
the third one.

3029
02:51:58,840 --> 02:52:01,600
Now everything that happens in
places in this third one has to

3030
02:52:01,600 --> 02:52:04,520
flow through the first one and
the second one and the third

3031
02:52:04,520 --> 02:52:06,360
one.
And if something goes wrong and

3032
02:52:06,360 --> 02:52:10,400
this one, this one dies or
something, well, everything.

3033
02:52:10,400 --> 02:52:13,480
Else dies downstream because you
see there's all this stuff, so

3034
02:52:13,480 --> 02:52:15,320
it's really terrible computer
science.

3035
02:52:15,680 --> 02:52:19,400
Arrangement.
To have this huge complexity of

3036
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:22,040
it, you just want to talk to the
one on the end here, but you got

3037
02:52:22,040 --> 02:52:26,400
to pass all that through all of
them, and you don't want all of

3038
02:52:26,400 --> 02:52:28,320
them to die.
But when this one has a problem,

3039
02:52:28,320 --> 02:52:30,320
they all have problems.
You know when somebody pulls the

3040
02:52:30,320 --> 02:52:33,680
plug on this computer, well, all
those other virtual realities

3041
02:52:33,720 --> 02:52:36,280
shut off at the same time,
right?

3042
02:52:36,280 --> 02:52:39,720
So it's not a good thing to do
from a computer science step.

3043
02:52:39,720 --> 02:52:43,640
So theoretically, yes, you can
nest them as much as you want

3044
02:52:43,960 --> 02:52:48,120
practically.
Not so much nesting going on, so

3045
02:52:48,360 --> 02:52:51,760
maybe you could do it too.
You know this one and another

3046
02:52:51,760 --> 02:52:53,760
one kind of nesting.
But to think that there's whole

3047
02:52:53,760 --> 02:52:57,120
bunches of them is just not.
If you wanted to have bunches of

3048
02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:58,840
them, you'd break them off and
have them separate.

3049
02:52:58,840 --> 02:53:00,760
You wouldn't have them all, you
know.

3050
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:06,840
It's just better that way.
It's easier to easier to to work

3051
02:53:06,840 --> 02:53:08,680
with them rather than building
all that.

3052
02:53:08,680 --> 02:53:11,840
Complexity up so so that's one
thing now.

3053
02:53:13,330 --> 02:53:19,330
You have a Let's say I have a a
a Sims game and I've got a A

3054
02:53:19,330 --> 02:53:21,330
player in there.
Now, can my Sims players make a

3055
02:53:21,330 --> 02:53:24,210
virtual reality?
OK, so now that would be the

3056
02:53:24,210 --> 02:53:27,690
third one, right?
I'm in a virtual reality and I

3057
02:53:27,690 --> 02:53:30,770
make a virtual reality.
But can my Sims players make a

3058
02:53:30,770 --> 02:53:34,290
virtual reality?
Well, yes, it's possible.

3059
02:53:34,810 --> 02:53:37,490
But here's how that works,
because first, The Sims player

3060
02:53:37,930 --> 02:53:41,310
would have to be conscious.
Right.

3061
02:53:41,310 --> 02:53:43,270
Your Sims guy would have to be a
conscious.

3062
02:53:44,110 --> 02:53:45,470
Would have to have
consciousness.

3063
02:53:45,990 --> 02:53:48,590
Not you being the player, but
them having their own

3064
02:53:48,590 --> 02:53:51,790
consciousness.
Well, how would that work?

3065
02:53:52,990 --> 02:53:56,870
So if you're the player of the.
Sims, you're the player's

3066
02:53:56,870 --> 02:54:00,150
consciousness, so there's a
problem there.

3067
02:54:00,310 --> 02:54:03,150
The SIM has his own
consciousness, then he doesn't

3068
02:54:03,150 --> 02:54:06,670
need you as the player, so
that's another reason for not

3069
02:54:06,670 --> 02:54:09,190
stacking them.
It's a, it's a.

3070
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:13,760
Override.
Otherwise he's got 22 masters,

3071
02:54:15,240 --> 02:54:18,120
sort of, yeah.
So you try and avoid that.

3072
02:54:18,320 --> 02:54:19,760
Replication kind of process?
Yeah.

3073
02:54:20,040 --> 02:54:21,400
Kind of.
Kind of avoid that so.

3074
02:54:21,680 --> 02:54:27,800
The way it works though, is that
the way we have the way in our

3075
02:54:27,800 --> 02:54:32,160
virtual reality, this avatar
appears to have consciousness

3076
02:54:32,600 --> 02:54:36,840
because there is a conscious
player playing it, so it appears

3077
02:54:36,840 --> 02:54:39,570
to have consciousness.
The reason there's a conscious

3078
02:54:39,570 --> 02:54:44,330
player playing it is because
this avatar makes choices that

3079
02:54:44,330 --> 02:54:49,490
are helpful to the player, to
lower its entropy, to increase

3080
02:54:49,490 --> 02:54:51,530
the quality of its conscious, to
help it evolve.

3081
02:54:52,010 --> 02:54:58,850
That's why it has a player.
OK, now if there's if I let's

3082
02:54:58,850 --> 02:55:04,330
say just build a another
computer and this computer has

3083
02:55:04,330 --> 02:55:07,690
the ability to make choices.
That would be.

3084
02:55:08,300 --> 02:55:12,820
Advantageous to a player to make
those choices.

3085
02:55:13,820 --> 02:55:19,420
Then the larger constant system
can have a OK here you free will

3086
02:55:19,420 --> 02:55:22,260
awareness unit.
You go play that computer

3087
02:55:22,660 --> 02:55:25,100
because that computer makes
interesting choices that you can

3088
02:55:25,100 --> 02:55:28,540
use to grow up.
And now you see it's no

3089
02:55:28,540 --> 02:55:33,140
different than here we have a a
carbon based avatar and there

3090
02:55:33,140 --> 02:55:36,580
you have a silicon based avatar.
No difference.

3091
02:55:37,720 --> 02:55:41,640
But you have a what looks like a
conscious human being and what

3092
02:55:41,640 --> 02:55:44,920
looks like a conscious computer,
because both of them have a

3093
02:55:45,440 --> 02:55:48,280
individuated, you know, has a
piece of consciousness playing

3094
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:50,440
it.
OK, so that's how you get a

3095
02:55:50,440 --> 02:55:53,000
conscious computer.
You cannot program

3096
02:55:53,280 --> 02:55:55,600
consciousness.
You can't have a clever program

3097
02:55:55,920 --> 02:56:00,240
that makes a computer conscious,
but you can have a program that

3098
02:56:00,240 --> 02:56:06,600
creates a computer with.
Free will or at least a.

3099
02:56:07,300 --> 02:56:09,940
A close enough approximation to
free will.

3100
02:56:10,580 --> 02:56:14,900
And you do that by using neural
networks and by using the sets

3101
02:56:14,900 --> 02:56:17,140
of neural networks that all
interact with each other.

3102
02:56:17,140 --> 02:56:18,820
Some of them are a little more
specialized.

3103
02:56:18,820 --> 02:56:21,140
This is maybe specialized in
language, and this part is

3104
02:56:21,140 --> 02:56:23,740
specialized in something else.
And so you have these neural

3105
02:56:23,740 --> 02:56:26,300
networks, and nobody really
knows what's going on inside

3106
02:56:26,500 --> 02:56:28,340
going on inside a neural
network, right?

3107
02:56:28,340 --> 02:56:32,220
It's just it shifts itself.
It's constantly shifting the

3108
02:56:32,540 --> 02:56:35,580
coefficients inside its
equations to make it.

3109
02:56:36,210 --> 02:56:40,210
Two different things.
And it it learns by shifting

3110
02:56:40,210 --> 02:56:42,450
these things around.
And whether it's successful or

3111
02:56:42,450 --> 02:56:47,730
not successful, it it learns so
that is a good enough of a of an

3112
02:56:47,730 --> 02:56:51,050
approximation of a free will.
Because there is no algorithmic

3113
02:56:51,450 --> 02:56:55,290
choice, there's uncertainty into
how that thing will react.

3114
02:56:55,610 --> 02:56:58,570
You don't really know just what
it's going to do.

3115
02:56:58,650 --> 02:57:02,620
It's not an algorithmic thing.
I mean, it is algorithmic in

3116
02:57:02,620 --> 02:57:05,500
that it's neural networks, but
the neural networks and their

3117
02:57:05,500 --> 02:57:09,300
complexity and how they work
makes the answer outside of the

3118
02:57:09,300 --> 02:57:12,820
algorithms.
The answer has to do with the

3119
02:57:12,820 --> 02:57:16,820
stuff that it, you know learns
on how it learns and what it how

3120
02:57:16,820 --> 02:57:19,100
it considers the stuff that it
learns.

3121
02:57:19,620 --> 02:57:23,780
So that's close enough for free
will it can make a choice.

3122
02:57:23,780 --> 02:57:25,420
On its own it can.
Choose A or B.

3123
02:57:27,180 --> 02:57:28,740
It's got choice.
So.

3124
02:57:29,230 --> 02:57:31,310
You got one of the ingredients.
Remember awareness with a

3125
02:57:31,310 --> 02:57:37,030
choice, That's consciousness.
So now it just needs it has to

3126
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:39,350
have that.
So if you just had a simple

3127
02:57:39,350 --> 02:57:42,750
computer program though, that
would never be conscious because

3128
02:57:42,750 --> 02:57:46,270
it doesn't have the component
for free will, right?

3129
02:57:46,270 --> 02:57:49,910
But if you have one that's
complex enough, like a neural

3130
02:57:49,910 --> 02:57:51,550
net, then you do.
But it would.

3131
02:57:51,550 --> 02:57:56,890
Have to have it would have to
have choices that were

3132
02:57:56,890 --> 02:57:59,130
significant.
To a consciousness to allow the

3133
02:57:59,130 --> 02:58:02,330
conscious to want to be, you
know to be the player.

3134
02:58:03,290 --> 02:58:06,930
All right, so that if you can
solve those two things, then why

3135
02:58:06,930 --> 02:58:09,610
wouldn't the larger conscious
system put a player at that

3136
02:58:09,610 --> 02:58:11,610
avatar?
Like it Put a player at your

3137
02:58:11,610 --> 02:58:14,010
avatar?
Why not?

3138
02:58:15,130 --> 02:58:19,810
It's could learn things, maybe
different things, but if it can

3139
02:58:19,810 --> 02:58:23,490
still learn to cooperate, you
know computers can learn to

3140
02:58:23,490 --> 02:58:26,740
cooperate with.
Other computers, even, you know,

3141
02:58:26,740 --> 02:58:30,940
much less people.
So and they can be interactive

3142
02:58:30,940 --> 02:58:33,860
with multiple people and you can
do all those kinds of things.

3143
02:58:33,860 --> 02:58:36,540
So yes, you'd get a conscious
computer.

3144
02:58:36,700 --> 02:58:40,060
And that conscious computer if
you if you pulled the plug out

3145
02:58:40,060 --> 02:58:43,420
and smashed it, just like if
somebody smashed you, you got a

3146
02:58:43,420 --> 02:58:46,940
consciousness.
It's still aware there's still

3147
02:58:46,940 --> 02:58:50,540
memory of that that happened.
It's part of the part of the

3148
02:58:50,540 --> 02:58:53,700
database of the things you know,
the choices made and decisions

3149
02:58:53,700 --> 02:58:55,400
made.
All that's there.

3150
02:58:55,400 --> 02:59:00,120
And could that, could that then,
same awareness, go back to

3151
02:59:00,120 --> 02:59:02,760
another computer or if you
reconstituted that one, or could

3152
02:59:02,760 --> 02:59:04,480
you do that?
Yeah, it could go back and it

3153
02:59:04,480 --> 02:59:07,240
could, it could start with that
other computer.

3154
02:59:07,240 --> 02:59:10,200
So that computer has a soul,
just like you do.

3155
02:59:10,200 --> 02:59:13,080
If you want to call a free will
awareness unit, it's your soul

3156
02:59:13,560 --> 02:59:16,040
or an individuated unit of
consciousness.

3157
02:59:16,040 --> 02:59:20,120
I don't call them souls again.
I don't call it God either.

3158
02:59:23,070 --> 02:59:24,510
I just do science.
I don't.

3159
02:59:24,510 --> 02:59:26,230
I don't go.
For those other kind of stuff,

3160
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:29,990
because there's too many.
Hot button.

3161
02:59:29,990 --> 02:59:35,470
Words that mean very special
things to different people, and

3162
02:59:35,470 --> 02:59:37,230
I don't want to get into that
argument.

3163
02:59:37,750 --> 02:59:39,390
I think you already spent so
much of your time.

3164
02:59:39,710 --> 02:59:42,190
Cracking to help out certain
scientists.

3165
02:59:42,190 --> 02:59:44,790
So I don't think you need that
extremely of stress.

3166
02:59:46,270 --> 02:59:49,470
So anyhow, that's.
The way you get a conscious

3167
02:59:49,470 --> 02:59:51,550
computer.
And will we have conscious

3168
02:59:51,550 --> 02:59:53,230
computers?
Yes, surely.

3169
02:59:53,630 --> 02:59:57,030
And how about some of these AIS?
Some of these AIS get pretty

3170
02:59:57,030 --> 02:59:59,310
interactive and maybe even
interactive with groups of

3171
02:59:59,310 --> 03:00:02,150
people and the things they say
will matter.

3172
03:00:02,590 --> 03:00:05,670
We'll make help people do
different kinds of things.

3173
03:00:05,870 --> 03:00:07,670
And all if they're doing is
helping to write a better

3174
03:00:07,670 --> 03:00:09,190
sentence.
Well, there's not a lot of

3175
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:12,270
growth in that.
But if they help people decide

3176
03:00:12,990 --> 03:00:17,950
on, you know how to how to
better find somebody in the.

3177
03:00:18,590 --> 03:00:21,670
In a dating thing, you know,
well now it's doing stuff that's

3178
03:00:21,670 --> 03:00:24,910
affecting their life, right?
It's affecting and how well they

3179
03:00:24,910 --> 03:00:27,150
do it may make a difference to
that person.

3180
03:00:27,550 --> 03:00:29,710
So there's no way.
Yeah, you can.

3181
03:00:29,710 --> 03:00:31,550
You can also like have AI sort
of give you.

3182
03:00:31,550 --> 03:00:34,830
Psychotherapy at some point and
help your consciousness, right?

3183
03:00:35,550 --> 03:00:37,350
Yeah.
So they're having those things

3184
03:00:37,550 --> 03:00:40,390
be helpful.
Well, then they can become

3185
03:00:40,390 --> 03:00:43,550
conscious.
All they have to do is just have

3186
03:00:43,550 --> 03:00:47,230
a piece of consciousness start
getting that data stream.

3187
03:00:48,030 --> 03:00:51,750
Okay that there's a data stream
there that that remember that

3188
03:00:51,750 --> 03:00:56,110
that a I is a virtual a I.
It's also, you know, it's just

3189
03:00:56,110 --> 03:00:58,830
like just like us, all you all
you see is what's on the

3190
03:00:58,830 --> 03:01:02,870
outside.
You know the insides are just as

3191
03:01:02,870 --> 03:01:07,150
if those things were doing what?
As if I had blood circulating

3192
03:01:07,150 --> 03:01:10,270
around to give me this nice, you
know, pinky look here.

3193
03:01:12,070 --> 03:01:13,870
It's just as if I just need the
pinky look.

3194
03:01:13,870 --> 03:01:16,390
I don't need all the rest of
that stuff, you know, to.

3195
03:01:16,710 --> 03:01:19,900
I don't need to compute it.
That's the way virtual realities

3196
03:01:19,900 --> 03:01:20,220
are.
You don't.

3197
03:01:20,220 --> 03:01:22,980
Have to compute anything except
what other players get to see.

3198
03:01:23,900 --> 03:01:30,780
So anyway, so that's possible.
Now let's say I create a game

3199
03:01:31,940 --> 03:01:35,220
and in this game I can.
I create, you know, some

3200
03:01:35,740 --> 03:01:40,660
wonderful virtual reality game
and in this virtual reality game

3201
03:01:41,500 --> 03:01:49,030
I have players and these players
are.

3202
03:01:49,470 --> 03:01:53,150
Like avatars, they're avatars,
they're players and they do

3203
03:01:53,150 --> 03:01:58,510
things.
This particular avatars are met

3204
03:01:58,510 --> 03:02:00,830
medevacs.
They're, you know, it's not,

3205
03:02:01,030 --> 03:02:04,510
it's not elves and and
Barbarians, but it's people

3206
03:02:04,510 --> 03:02:09,790
helping people right Now that's
also, you know, that's a that's

3207
03:02:09,790 --> 03:02:11,670
a simulation inside a
simulation.

3208
03:02:12,070 --> 03:02:15,840
But it's the same rendering
engine, the larger conscious

3209
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:19,880
system that's computing me,
that's computing that computer,

3210
03:02:20,440 --> 03:02:24,400
that's computing the avatars
inside that computer game.

3211
03:02:24,400 --> 03:02:27,400
All of this is being computed by
the larger consciousness system.

3212
03:02:28,480 --> 03:02:33,280
So if the system wanted to
attach some piece of

3213
03:02:33,280 --> 03:02:37,160
consciousness to the decisions
at that level, it could.

3214
03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:40,720
There's nothing that prohibits
it from doing that.

3215
03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:44,790
It could do that, but then it
would have to take that away

3216
03:02:44,790 --> 03:02:46,950
from.
Otherwise they'd have, like I

3217
03:02:46,950 --> 03:02:50,430
say, more 2 consciences all
trying to work one character.

3218
03:02:50,870 --> 03:02:53,230
So I'd have to say okay, you're
not doing this anymore.

3219
03:02:53,670 --> 03:02:57,350
It's not your character anymore.
You go find another, find

3220
03:02:57,350 --> 03:02:58,910
another incarnation someplace
else.

3221
03:02:58,910 --> 03:03:01,350
I'm going to put this other
thing working your character

3222
03:03:01,350 --> 03:03:04,710
here.
That's possible, but it's just

3223
03:03:04,710 --> 03:03:09,670
another layer of complication,
and I don't see it as happening

3224
03:03:09,670 --> 03:03:12,870
because why go through all of
that when you can achieve the

3225
03:03:12,870 --> 03:03:15,830
same thing much easier than good
than doing that?

3226
03:03:16,030 --> 03:03:19,350
So it's not that it's
impossible, it's just that it's

3227
03:03:19,350 --> 03:03:22,470
highly unlikely because again,
it's not good computer science.

3228
03:03:22,470 --> 03:03:25,390
It's not.
Why would a system go?

3229
03:03:25,390 --> 03:03:29,230
To all that trouble going
through all of that stuff to do

3230
03:03:29,230 --> 03:03:34,030
that probably it's probably not
going to do that.

3231
03:03:35,270 --> 03:03:37,390
Yeah, it's not cost effective in
the long run.

3232
03:03:37,390 --> 03:03:38,390
I.
Guess, yeah.

3233
03:03:38,430 --> 03:03:40,150
It's not cost effective.
It's not a good.

3234
03:03:40,850 --> 03:03:44,970
That's not a good thing to do.
So possible, but not likely that

3235
03:03:44,970 --> 03:03:48,090
you'll ever see that that
happened.

3236
03:03:49,050 --> 03:03:50,690
And there's another interesting
thing.

3237
03:03:50,690 --> 03:03:53,890
Now that we're doing interesting
things here, this is an

3238
03:03:53,890 --> 03:03:55,450
interesting thing that you'll
probably like.

3239
03:03:55,450 --> 03:03:58,610
Have you ever heard me talk
about the Fermi Paradox?

3240
03:03:59,610 --> 03:04:01,130
Actually, no.
Well, you'll.

3241
03:04:01,130 --> 03:04:04,010
Like this?
Then you know the there is a

3242
03:04:04,010 --> 03:04:07,410
thing called the Fermi Paradox.
And Rico Fermi and and his

3243
03:04:07,410 --> 03:04:11,240
friends sat around at lunchtime
and did some calculations,

3244
03:04:11,480 --> 03:04:15,280
assuming that because this is
one of the newer parts of the,

3245
03:04:15,280 --> 03:04:18,560
well, we're about in middle-aged
of the universe and the older

3246
03:04:18,560 --> 03:04:21,400
part of the universe is about a
billion years older than us.

3247
03:04:21,960 --> 03:04:24,800
About a billion years later, our
part of the universe came about

3248
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:29,240
another billion years newer than
us, part of the universe came

3249
03:04:29,240 --> 03:04:30,760
around.
So we're kind of in the middle

3250
03:04:30,760 --> 03:04:34,200
someplace.
And they said, well, if the part

3251
03:04:34,200 --> 03:04:38,200
of the universe is a billion
years older than us.

3252
03:04:38,680 --> 03:04:42,680
Then if it evolves sort of like
us, then it would be a billion

3253
03:04:42,680 --> 03:04:45,600
years ahead of us.
Can you imagine what kind of

3254
03:04:45,640 --> 03:04:49,480
technology and things you might
have if we had another billion

3255
03:04:49,480 --> 03:04:50,960
years?
I mean, look what we've done in

3256
03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:53,800
just the last 50 years.
It's pretty impressive, a

3257
03:04:53,800 --> 03:04:57,040
billion years, All right.
So they looked at things and

3258
03:04:57,040 --> 03:05:01,170
they came up with with some
equations that said, well,

3259
03:05:01,450 --> 03:05:04,490
here's how things tend to
populate.

3260
03:05:04,610 --> 03:05:06,370
You know, populations tend to
grow.

3261
03:05:06,650 --> 03:05:09,450
So, you know, there's models
like that of population growth.

3262
03:05:09,450 --> 03:05:11,810
And they grow and grow and grow
until they eat up all the food.

3263
03:05:12,050 --> 03:05:14,810
Then they start to, you know,
die off for some reason or they

3264
03:05:14,810 --> 03:05:17,290
get diseases because they're too
crowded and then they shrink and

3265
03:05:17,290 --> 03:05:19,250
then they grow again.
And there's models of

3266
03:05:19,250 --> 03:05:22,370
populations like that.
So they added that to this model

3267
03:05:22,730 --> 03:05:25,090
and said, all right, these
people a billion years ago, if

3268
03:05:25,090 --> 03:05:28,130
they started like us and they
got to where we are now, a

3269
03:05:28,130 --> 03:05:33,560
billion years ago, they would
probably overpopulate whatever

3270
03:05:33,560 --> 03:05:36,800
it was they were on and would
have to move on to something

3271
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:38,720
else.
But they'd have technology way

3272
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:40,600
out ahead of us, so that
wouldn't be a problem.

3273
03:05:41,040 --> 03:05:43,320
And then they'd overpopulate
that and they'd move on.

3274
03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:48,080
So they did some mathematics
that showed you know where

3275
03:05:48,080 --> 03:05:48,600
would.
They be.

3276
03:05:48,600 --> 03:05:53,600
Now how far would they have
likely populated out populating

3277
03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:56,120
everything that they could
possibly populate until they get

3278
03:05:56,120 --> 03:05:59,570
overcrowded and then move out to
the next territory You know?

3279
03:06:00,610 --> 03:06:04,010
And they came to the conclusion
that given that lightspeed was

3280
03:06:04,010 --> 03:06:07,650
not, you know, gotten past, you
have to go sub lightspeed in

3281
03:06:07,650 --> 03:06:11,930
traveling between these things
that they should have been

3282
03:06:11,930 --> 03:06:14,810
through our part of the universe
a long, long time ago.

3283
03:06:15,680 --> 03:06:18,000
Not only should they have been
here a long time ago, but they

3284
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:21,400
should have every square inch of
everything that's inhabitable

3285
03:06:21,400 --> 03:06:24,040
here.
Like our moon like Mars, like

3286
03:06:24,360 --> 03:06:27,480
some of the moons of Jupiter.
Maybe, you know some of the

3287
03:06:27,480 --> 03:06:30,200
things that are inhabitable
should have all been populated

3288
03:06:30,200 --> 03:06:33,800
to the Max and already moved on.
So they should have passed

3289
03:06:33,800 --> 03:06:37,320
through here.
And then the big the paradox

3290
03:06:37,320 --> 03:06:40,640
was, well, where are they?
Yeah, where are they?

3291
03:06:40,760 --> 03:06:43,760
I mean, they should be
impossible to miss.

3292
03:06:43,880 --> 03:06:46,720
It's not like there's going to
be 1 spaceship roaming around in

3293
03:06:46,720 --> 03:06:49,920
our Galaxy.
It's like this is overcrowded.

3294
03:06:50,400 --> 03:06:54,200
And of course they're part of
the same universe, so they have

3295
03:06:54,200 --> 03:06:57,600
to deal with electromagnetics
and gravity, and all the things

3296
03:06:57,600 --> 03:06:59,680
we deal with they have to deal
with too.

3297
03:07:00,040 --> 03:07:03,200
So there's going to be
signatures here with this

3298
03:07:03,280 --> 03:07:07,920
crowded space that they're in.
And so they're not here now.

3299
03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:10,720
We don't see them.
And they couldn't all be

3300
03:07:10,720 --> 03:07:14,070
invisible, you know, that's even
if they have that technology,

3301
03:07:14,070 --> 03:07:17,190
they consume resources, they'd
have heat, they'd, you know,

3302
03:07:17,190 --> 03:07:19,710
things would be there.
That's impossible for them to

3303
03:07:19,710 --> 03:07:23,190
cover up all their footprints.
So where are they?

3304
03:07:24,510 --> 03:07:29,270
And it's it's considered.
To be a very strong paradox

3305
03:07:29,750 --> 03:07:32,870
because the the rationale and it
was judged, you know people have

3306
03:07:32,870 --> 03:07:35,390
gone back and redone the math
and redone the math and said

3307
03:07:35,390 --> 03:07:39,540
yeah, even making all very
conservative, you know,

3308
03:07:39,540 --> 03:07:42,620
assumptions about populations.
So and even if you make real

3309
03:07:42,620 --> 03:07:45,500
conservative assumptions, you
still get to the same conclusion

3310
03:07:45,500 --> 03:07:48,460
of where are they because a
billion years is just a very

3311
03:07:48,540 --> 03:07:54,380
long time.
So anyhow there's a good answer

3312
03:07:54,380 --> 03:07:57,780
to that paradox.
Again this this model of mine

3313
03:07:57,780 --> 03:08:03,540
just answers paradoxes and this
is a good one is this is a

3314
03:08:03,540 --> 03:08:05,420
virtual reality.
Okay.

3315
03:08:06,020 --> 03:08:10,810
Now, the reason that everybody
is certain that there must be

3316
03:08:10,810 --> 03:08:13,410
other life somewhere in the
universe is because there's

3317
03:08:13,410 --> 03:08:16,010
literally trillions and
trillions of Suns.

3318
03:08:16,450 --> 03:08:20,570
And there's just no reason why
this little configuration we got

3319
03:08:20,570 --> 03:08:23,570
here ought to be unique, right?
It shouldn't be unique.

3320
03:08:23,570 --> 03:08:26,410
It ought to be replicated all
over the place.

3321
03:08:26,810 --> 03:08:31,140
So there's bound to be many,
many, many other civilizations

3322
03:08:31,140 --> 03:08:33,060
with people on it, or some kind
of critters on them.

3323
03:08:33,060 --> 03:08:35,380
They may not be like us, but
something that suited that

3324
03:08:35,380 --> 03:08:39,020
environment is bound to happen
because it's just so big and so

3325
03:08:39,020 --> 03:08:41,380
much of it, so many, so much
potential.

3326
03:08:42,140 --> 03:08:46,220
But if this is a virtual
reality, consider the larger

3327
03:08:46,220 --> 03:08:48,300
consciousness.
Systems created this virtual

3328
03:08:48,300 --> 03:08:50,700
reality for consciousness to
help grow up.

3329
03:08:51,300 --> 03:08:56,060
Now in this in this particular
planet, they've got about 8

3330
03:08:56,060 --> 03:09:00,770
billion seats in the simulator
they who getting data streams.

3331
03:09:00,770 --> 03:09:04,450
They have to produce about 8
billion data streams to get this

3332
03:09:04,530 --> 03:09:07,450
done.
And their idea is that they're

3333
03:09:07,530 --> 03:09:11,410
increasing the evolution of the
whole, right?

3334
03:09:11,410 --> 03:09:13,850
That's the whole point, all
these things, because the whole

3335
03:09:13,850 --> 03:09:18,530
evolves with the pieces.
Now, what's the cost of another

3336
03:09:18,530 --> 03:09:23,330
data stream and what's the?
Advantage of another person

3337
03:09:23,770 --> 03:09:27,970
evolving?
Well, you know all systems have

3338
03:09:27,970 --> 03:09:30,690
this curve that you know how
they scale.

3339
03:09:30,690 --> 03:09:34,450
You know more is better, more is
better, more is not so much

3340
03:09:34,450 --> 03:09:36,530
better.
More is worse, more is worse,

3341
03:09:36,530 --> 03:09:40,490
more is worse.
You got some sweet point where

3342
03:09:40,850 --> 03:09:46,010
you turn for more is better, to
more is nuts better and it may

3343
03:09:46,010 --> 03:09:47,930
be fairly.
Even flat for a while on top,

3344
03:09:47,930 --> 03:09:56,210
but eventually it goes downhill.
So is 8 billion enough, You

3345
03:09:56,210 --> 03:09:58,240
know?
Or is 8 billion.

3346
03:09:58,520 --> 03:10:01,320
Oh, we could have 8 billion, you
know, we could have a billion,

3347
03:10:01,320 --> 03:10:05,000
billion, billion billion And one
more added to that.

3348
03:10:05,000 --> 03:10:07,400
Oh yeah, that would be great and
productive worth another.

3349
03:10:08,040 --> 03:10:09,880
Probably not.
It's probably not that way.

3350
03:10:09,880 --> 03:10:13,000
It's probably there's some
number that is good.

3351
03:10:13,000 --> 03:10:15,200
Now I have been to other reality
frames.

3352
03:10:15,720 --> 03:10:18,240
Least it's, you know, this is
how it seemed to me.

3353
03:10:18,240 --> 03:10:20,720
This is my experience.
And they were like this one, but

3354
03:10:20,720 --> 03:10:23,350
it wasn't this one.
But it was a tight rule set.

3355
03:10:23,510 --> 03:10:27,750
And you know, did it also have,
you know, it seemed to not have

3356
03:10:27,750 --> 03:10:30,110
as much population as we do.
Let's say it only had five

3357
03:10:30,110 --> 03:10:32,990
billion and but were there other
things in it?

3358
03:10:33,430 --> 03:10:37,430
I'm sure it had lots of sons and
things too, you know, trillions

3359
03:10:37,430 --> 03:10:41,470
and trillions of sons.
So you start looking at this and

3360
03:10:41,470 --> 03:10:47,070
you're saying, well I see way
more, way more seats, you know,

3361
03:10:47,070 --> 03:10:53,240
then would probably be worth it
to this system because another

3362
03:10:53,440 --> 03:10:55,600
it's just not another data
stream, but it's another

3363
03:10:55,600 --> 03:10:58,120
calculation of how this
individual interacts with all

3364
03:10:58,120 --> 03:11:00,320
the others and the effects that
they have on each other.

3365
03:11:00,320 --> 03:11:03,480
And it's a, you know, it's not
just a trivial thing to add

3366
03:11:03,480 --> 03:11:07,120
another seat, it's a fair amount
of work needs to be done to to

3367
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:09,800
feed that that seat in its
interactions.

3368
03:11:10,600 --> 03:11:17,640
So that then answers the
question is that all of those

3369
03:11:17,640 --> 03:11:21,200
trillions of of sons and their
probable potential for life,

3370
03:11:21,850 --> 03:11:24,530
they're just dots in the sky.
Why would that ever be rendered?

3371
03:11:24,530 --> 03:11:27,290
Just like if you're not going to
render my guts inside you, just

3372
03:11:27,290 --> 03:11:30,370
remember what you just render
what you see, That's all.

3373
03:11:30,890 --> 03:11:33,610
So to us, those are just lights
in the sky.

3374
03:11:34,170 --> 03:11:36,650
They're dots are light in the
sky into the Hubble telescope.

3375
03:11:36,650 --> 03:11:39,690
Well, they're big smears of
gases and this and that and a

3376
03:11:39,690 --> 03:11:42,130
lot of little stars and other
kind of junk.

3377
03:11:42,130 --> 03:11:45,290
But I only have to render that
when the Hubble's turned on.

3378
03:11:46,490 --> 03:11:48,650
It's kind.
Of like the tree in the forest

3379
03:11:48,650 --> 03:11:50,290
if it falls, if there's.
No one there to listen.

3380
03:11:50,290 --> 03:11:55,110
There's no point.
So then you look at it and say,

3381
03:11:55,110 --> 03:11:59,230
well, maybe 8 billion seats is
enough, plus whatever it has in

3382
03:11:59,230 --> 03:12:03,590
other places, maybe that's
enough and maybe all of those

3383
03:12:03,590 --> 03:12:04,870
just.
Lights in the sky are nothing

3384
03:12:04,870 --> 03:12:08,110
more than lights in the sky.
And you know, at night time they

3385
03:12:08,710 --> 03:12:10,110
they have to put lights in the
sky.

3386
03:12:10,110 --> 03:12:12,470
But in daytime they don't even
have to put lights in the sky.

3387
03:12:12,830 --> 03:12:14,790
And if you don't have a
telescope, they never have to

3388
03:12:14,790 --> 03:12:16,550
put anything more than lights in
the sky.

3389
03:12:17,070 --> 03:12:19,790
And if you have a really big,
expensive telescope, there's

3390
03:12:19,830 --> 03:12:21,870
probably no more than a few
dozen of those in the world

3391
03:12:21,870 --> 03:12:23,910
anyway.
Well, then you have to give him

3392
03:12:23,910 --> 03:12:26,470
another picture.
But like we said, it's a random

3393
03:12:26,470 --> 03:12:27,510
role.
What's, what's going to be

3394
03:12:27,510 --> 03:12:29,670
there?
Well, there's, you know, 100

3395
03:12:29,670 --> 03:12:31,590
things that could be there.
And here's a random draw from

3396
03:12:31,590 --> 03:12:33,710
the probability distribution,
the possibilities.

3397
03:12:34,390 --> 03:12:37,910
That's what you show them.
And then when that telescope

3398
03:12:37,910 --> 03:12:39,750
looks elsewhere, you stop
computing that.

3399
03:12:39,750 --> 03:12:42,830
You don't compute that anymore.
Telescope comes back, you

3400
03:12:42,830 --> 03:12:44,390
compute it.
Telescope goes away.

3401
03:12:44,390 --> 03:12:46,030
You compute what?
Someplace else.

3402
03:12:46,590 --> 03:12:49,990
And it's not much trouble at
all.

3403
03:12:50,030 --> 03:12:53,190
All the rest of that universe
with its trillions and trillions

3404
03:12:53,190 --> 03:12:58,390
of stars is not but that much
ever for the larger casting

3405
03:12:58,390 --> 03:12:59,790
system.
All of this is a couple of

3406
03:12:59,790 --> 03:13:03,030
lights in the sky and that's it.
And there's not a lot of

3407
03:13:03,030 --> 03:13:05,430
interaction, you know, there's
not a lot of stuff it has to

3408
03:13:05,430 --> 03:13:07,350
keep track of.
It just has to keep track of

3409
03:13:07,350 --> 03:13:09,830
what it's shown, what's been
looked at, what it's, you know,

3410
03:13:10,230 --> 03:13:13,990
and it does that very easily.
So it it's a trivial thing for

3411
03:13:13,990 --> 03:13:21,080
it to to not populate anything
more than here because 8 billion

3412
03:13:21,280 --> 03:13:25,480
is plenty and adding another one
probably doesn't pay for itself.

3413
03:13:26,160 --> 03:13:31,520
As far as you know, entropy lost
for the total system and cost to

3414
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:33,800
the system.
Matter of fact, the 8 billion or

3415
03:13:33,800 --> 03:13:37,880
probably more than it needs, but
it's going to keep going to keep

3416
03:13:37,880 --> 03:13:40,910
doing it because we're, you
know, we're here and we're doing

3417
03:13:40,910 --> 03:13:42,750
things.
So it's kind of locked into this

3418
03:13:42,750 --> 03:13:44,430
experiment and this thing is
going on.

3419
03:13:44,430 --> 03:13:48,430
So it'll it'll do that perhaps
if it's way more than it needs.

3420
03:13:48,430 --> 03:13:51,670
And I guess we'll get some some
kind of terrible disease or some

3421
03:13:51,670 --> 03:13:55,190
kind of big earthquake or a
meteoral hit and you know,

3422
03:13:55,190 --> 03:13:58,070
reduce the, reduce the number,
something will happen to reduce

3423
03:13:58,070 --> 03:13:59,630
the numbers down to something
better.

3424
03:14:00,190 --> 03:14:03,510
But in any case, that's the
answer to Fermi's paradox.

3425
03:14:03,950 --> 03:14:07,070
We're it.
And it's not a waste of all

3426
03:14:07,070 --> 03:14:09,110
this.
There's billions of Suns and

3427
03:14:09,110 --> 03:14:11,070
planets at all.
They don't really exist.

3428
03:14:11,070 --> 03:14:15,110
They're never, they're never,
ever rendered.

3429
03:14:15,750 --> 03:14:17,110
If we're not looking, it's not
there.

3430
03:14:17,550 --> 03:14:18,470
Right.
We're not looking.

3431
03:14:18,470 --> 03:14:20,710
It's not there.
So it's not a waste of

3432
03:14:20,710 --> 03:14:23,670
resources.
It's not a waste of billions of

3433
03:14:23,670 --> 03:14:26,630
planets and Suns at all.
There's no waste, matter of

3434
03:14:26,630 --> 03:14:30,070
fact, rendering that stuff, just
just to the point that we can

3435
03:14:30,070 --> 03:14:31,790
see that it's there.
It's trivial.

3436
03:14:32,840 --> 03:14:35,280
It's almost nothing.
It's probably less than just

3437
03:14:35,280 --> 03:14:37,760
rendering one one data stream
for an individual.

3438
03:14:37,760 --> 03:14:40,560
It's probably trivial than the,
you know, more trivial than

3439
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:44,120
that.
So that's the perfect answer to

3440
03:14:44,120 --> 03:14:46,400
the Fermi Paradox is that it's
just us.

3441
03:14:46,400 --> 03:14:50,200
This is a virtual reality.
So that's what I find.

3442
03:14:50,200 --> 03:14:57,080
Every time I try to apply this
theory to just stuff, you know

3443
03:14:57,080 --> 03:15:01,710
that's around it.
Always I'm gonna there's.

3444
03:15:02,030 --> 03:15:04,950
The answer I mean.
I'm gonna make a nice list for

3445
03:15:04,950 --> 03:15:06,470
you, Tom.
And I think when we have a round

3446
03:15:06,470 --> 03:15:09,590
two, I'm gonna try and just give
you a whole bunch of scenarios

3447
03:15:09,590 --> 03:15:13,310
and situations and we can go
tick them off 1 by 1 and see how

3448
03:15:13,310 --> 03:15:15,190
TOE does for all of them.
Your TOE at least.

3449
03:15:16,110 --> 03:15:18,150
Great.
I'd love it if there were 100

3450
03:15:18,150 --> 03:15:20,510
people doing that.
You know, I don't think I've got

3451
03:15:20,510 --> 03:15:23,430
the only thing and everything's
done.

3452
03:15:23,430 --> 03:15:27,810
It's it's just what just what I
experienced then what I

3453
03:15:27,810 --> 03:15:33,410
understand I I'm just one small
piece of of this so I I'd happy

3454
03:15:33,410 --> 03:15:37,850
to to find holes in it Things it
doesn't do things it doesn't you

3455
03:15:37,850 --> 03:15:43,450
know I don't have any pride in
in it being perfect That's

3456
03:15:43,570 --> 03:15:46,570
that's bad that's bad science.
Exactly.

3457
03:15:46,570 --> 03:15:47,650
That's the point of this
podcast.

3458
03:15:47,650 --> 03:15:48,210
It's.
I mean.

3459
03:15:48,210 --> 03:15:50,130
While I might not agree with
everything you're saying, it's

3460
03:15:50,130 --> 03:15:52,810
still the beauty of exploring
these ideas and chatting about

3461
03:15:52,810 --> 03:15:54,810
it, trying to understand each
other's perspective.

3462
03:15:55,300 --> 03:15:57,300
That's the way I feel because I
look at it and I say, well, you

3463
03:15:57,300 --> 03:16:00,700
know, when I kind of talk with
the technical people, I say, you

3464
03:16:00,700 --> 03:16:02,260
know what?
I, what I have is a model.

3465
03:16:02,940 --> 03:16:05,540
It's just a model of reality and
how reality work.

3466
03:16:05,940 --> 03:16:08,180
So here's the model, you know,
here's how it works.

3467
03:16:08,180 --> 03:16:10,460
Here's how it came by, here's
what its purpose is.

3468
03:16:10,740 --> 03:16:12,300
Here's why, here's, here's what
we see.

3469
03:16:12,500 --> 03:16:16,860
It's just a model.
Now if it.

3470
03:16:16,860 --> 03:16:18,460
Works for you.
Good.

3471
03:16:18,500 --> 03:16:20,860
Use it.
If it doesn't, well, it doesn't.

3472
03:16:21,380 --> 03:16:24,230
You know it's not.
I'm not opposed to a changing.

3473
03:16:24,230 --> 03:16:26,630
I'm not opposed to being torn up
in a different model.

3474
03:16:26,630 --> 03:16:29,190
Replace it.
I think that would be grand.

3475
03:16:29,190 --> 03:16:31,470
If you have something that's
better, replace it.

3476
03:16:31,470 --> 03:16:32,950
That's what you're supposed to
do with models.

3477
03:16:33,310 --> 03:16:35,750
When you find something better
is you replace them.

3478
03:16:35,750 --> 03:16:37,670
You know, that would be
wonderful.

3479
03:16:38,190 --> 03:16:42,230
So it's, I just see it.
It's a model and Ioffer it out

3480
03:16:42,390 --> 03:16:46,310
to people to see whether it
computes right answers for them.

3481
03:16:46,910 --> 03:16:50,930
Does this model that talks about
the intuitive side, does it

3482
03:16:50,930 --> 03:16:53,450
answer?
Does it explain your life and

3483
03:16:53,450 --> 03:16:55,650
your questions and your things
you know?

3484
03:16:55,650 --> 03:16:58,010
Does it give you help?
Can you understand now better

3485
03:16:58,010 --> 03:17:00,930
where you are and where you're
going and how you got there and

3486
03:17:01,410 --> 03:17:05,210
and who you are and your
connections to people and all

3487
03:17:05,210 --> 03:17:08,650
this you know, does that is it
better for you because you had

3488
03:17:08,650 --> 03:17:12,290
to have this understanding?
Well, if it is good, if it

3489
03:17:12,290 --> 03:17:15,970
isn't, then you know.
Can't help, can't help that you

3490
03:17:15,970 --> 03:17:17,450
know.
Let it, let it go.

3491
03:17:18,010 --> 03:17:21,090
So that's kind of my attitude
toward the whole thing.

3492
03:17:21,130 --> 03:17:25,170
I'm just offering a model, but I
can't even get, I can't get, you

3493
03:17:25,170 --> 03:17:26,850
know, scientists to even look at
the model.

3494
03:17:27,370 --> 03:17:29,610
They won't even they won't even
look at it.

3495
03:17:30,300 --> 03:17:32,020
Well, that's what.
That's what podcasts like these

3496
03:17:32,020 --> 03:17:33,660
are.
For Tom hopefully it helps.

3497
03:17:33,660 --> 03:17:37,180
Hopefully you get some more
people to to view it but I mean

3498
03:17:37,180 --> 03:17:38,460
I wish I could continue talking
to you.

3499
03:17:38,460 --> 03:17:42,620
It's been for me it's it's
almost 12:30 PM AM.

3500
03:17:42,620 --> 03:17:46,020
Sorry for for everyone watching.
Well, that's the magic hour when

3501
03:17:46,020 --> 03:17:49,500
you start to melt.
And yeah, your mind gets focused

3502
03:17:49,500 --> 03:17:51,060
slowly.
The fading of I mean.

3503
03:17:51,260 --> 03:17:53,500
If I didn't have work tomorrow,
I definitely would have stayed.

3504
03:17:54,340 --> 03:17:57,380
And I mean I've been enjoying
this conversation so much for

3505
03:17:57,380 --> 03:17:58,980
around 2 Tom.
I've got so much plan.

3506
03:17:58,980 --> 03:18:02,540
I mean we can discuss the out of
body experiences the paranormal

3507
03:18:02,820 --> 03:18:06,540
and and we'll just dive deeper
into into your well let me tell

3508
03:18:06,540 --> 03:18:08,980
you just a couple of things and
before you forget because this

3509
03:18:08,980 --> 03:18:11,180
will go out somehow you'll
probably break it into pieces

3510
03:18:11,180 --> 03:18:14,620
because nobody wants to listen
to no I actually don't generally

3511
03:18:14,620 --> 03:18:15,300
Tom.
So what I do?

3512
03:18:15,300 --> 03:18:18,860
Is I cut the three hours, 3
hours, the whole thing?

3513
03:18:19,700 --> 03:18:23,150
Well, OK, only people.
How many people have real tough

3514
03:18:23,150 --> 03:18:26,470
dispositions if they're gonna
the audience that watched this

3515
03:18:26,470 --> 03:18:28,950
part cuz I've noticed.
Re watched this content quite a

3516
03:18:28,950 --> 03:18:30,910
lot, so there's a lot of
returning viewers.

3517
03:18:31,390 --> 03:18:34,750
Good try and finish it, Yeah, so
they'll go through it once.

3518
03:18:34,830 --> 03:18:36,150
Maybe even five times.
Sometimes.

3519
03:18:36,430 --> 03:18:37,630
Good.
Well then you've got really

3520
03:18:37,630 --> 03:18:41,110
Hardy viewers, the thing that I
would.

3521
03:18:41,110 --> 03:18:46,440
Like to let them know is that I
have a couple of tools that will

3522
03:18:46,440 --> 03:18:48,760
help them grow in this, in this
way.

3523
03:18:49,120 --> 03:18:51,480
You know, I told you that you
have, you know, the

3524
03:18:51,480 --> 03:18:55,240
consciousness has two paths for
processing one's intellect and

3525
03:18:55,240 --> 03:18:58,400
the other is intuitive.
Most of us have not developed

3526
03:18:58,400 --> 03:19:00,520
the intuitive side.
We've developed the intellect

3527
03:19:00,520 --> 03:19:03,200
side and honed it and polished
it and we've really got that

3528
03:19:03,200 --> 03:19:05,640
humming.
But the intuitive side for most

3529
03:19:05,640 --> 03:19:09,080
people is not as good as it was
when you were three years old.

3530
03:19:09,680 --> 03:19:12,400
When you were three years old,
you had your intuitive side was

3531
03:19:12,480 --> 03:19:15,160
more developed than it is now
for most people.

3532
03:19:15,520 --> 03:19:17,760
And that's where all the
paranormal things are.

3533
03:19:17,760 --> 03:19:19,680
They're all over there on that
intuitive side.

3534
03:19:20,160 --> 03:19:23,640
And like you might think if you
had never developed your

3535
03:19:23,640 --> 03:19:26,280
intellect anymore than it were
when you were three years old,

3536
03:19:26,960 --> 03:19:29,120
your life would be very, would
be very strange.

3537
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:31,880
There'd be a lot of a lot of
mysterious stuff and a lot of

3538
03:19:31,880 --> 03:19:34,520
things wouldn't make sense and
you would have ton of stuff you

3539
03:19:34,520 --> 03:19:36,400
just never be able to do or
understand.

3540
03:19:36,760 --> 03:19:39,280
Well, expect that your intuitive
side is like that.

3541
03:19:39,680 --> 03:19:43,950
There's this huge possibility
and and potential over there on

3542
03:19:43,950 --> 03:19:46,910
the intuitive side that most
people have just never bothered

3543
03:19:46,910 --> 03:19:50,470
to develop it.
So that's the problem and I have

3544
03:19:50,470 --> 03:19:55,030
some tools for helping people
develop that at I got a new

3545
03:19:55,030 --> 03:19:57,910
website now that's a lot more
instructive than the old one.

3546
03:19:57,910 --> 03:20:00,190
If you go there you'll find
there's a lot more information

3547
03:20:00,190 --> 03:20:02,910
that fills probably filled in a
lot of gaps.

3548
03:20:03,830 --> 03:20:06,550
But anyway, the the thing I
have, I have a program, it's a

3549
03:20:06,550 --> 03:20:09,630
five day program to teach you
all the paranormal stuff.

3550
03:20:09,750 --> 03:20:12,850
How to do it.
What it means, how it works, you

3551
03:20:12,850 --> 03:20:15,050
know, how to approach it, that
sort of thing.

3552
03:20:15,050 --> 03:20:17,570
Problems that people have, how
to get over those problems.

3553
03:20:18,690 --> 03:20:21,770
So the reason I have.
I made that is that I kept

3554
03:20:21,770 --> 03:20:25,170
telling people if it's not your
your experience, it's not your

3555
03:20:25,170 --> 03:20:27,250
truth.
So they said OK now help us have

3556
03:20:27,250 --> 03:20:30,330
the experience.
So I did so I said, I said all

3557
03:20:30,330 --> 03:20:32,930
that up and you can you can get
that you can find.

3558
03:20:32,930 --> 03:20:35,450
I'll put a link to that in the
description as well.

3559
03:20:35,530 --> 03:20:38,610
Yeah, you can.
You can find that it's an audio

3560
03:20:38,730 --> 03:20:40,990
program.
It's just the it's just the

3561
03:20:40,990 --> 03:20:43,550
audio.
And I have a a thing called

3562
03:20:43,550 --> 03:20:47,190
Palms Park, which is the thing
that if you are, if you're

3563
03:20:47,350 --> 03:20:50,950
having trouble with meditation
because meditation is the

3564
03:20:50,950 --> 03:20:55,430
standard route that you go here.
Meditation basically forces you

3565
03:20:55,430 --> 03:20:57,790
to discipline your mind,
discipline your thinking.

3566
03:20:57,790 --> 03:20:59,870
That's all it is.
You just have to learn how to

3567
03:20:59,870 --> 03:21:03,710
turn your intellect off and let
your mind hang empty with

3568
03:21:03,710 --> 03:21:06,030
nothing in it until you want to
put something in it and keep

3569
03:21:06,030 --> 03:21:10,480
your intellect turned off.
So anyhow, if that's a that's a

3570
03:21:10,480 --> 03:21:14,440
problem for people who are very
intellectual, very big problem,

3571
03:21:14,440 --> 03:21:16,560
and that's what gets in their
way more than anything else.

3572
03:21:16,560 --> 03:21:18,080
They can't turn their intellect
off.

3573
03:21:18,480 --> 03:21:21,640
They go to, they go to talk to
their, you know, to their dead

3574
03:21:21,640 --> 03:21:23,920
Uncle Fred.
And as soon as Uncle Fred says

3575
03:21:23,920 --> 03:21:26,400
hello, they go, who was that?
Did you hear that?

3576
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:28,520
Was that me?
Did I make that up or was that

3577
03:21:28,520 --> 03:21:29,600
real?
You know, And that's their

3578
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:32,640
intellect stumping and judging
the situation and that kills it

3579
03:21:33,080 --> 03:21:37,360
and it's gone.
So anyhow, Tom's Park is a way

3580
03:21:37,870 --> 03:21:42,350
to get to the same places but
and get the same development but

3581
03:21:42,390 --> 03:21:43,990
without having to go through
meditation.

3582
03:21:44,710 --> 03:21:50,190
It skips the meditation path
altogether and it it it gets rid

3583
03:21:50,190 --> 03:21:52,830
of the transition.
You know, people trying to go

3584
03:21:52,830 --> 03:21:55,870
out of body have this problem
because the transition is the

3585
03:21:55,870 --> 03:21:58,270
hang up.
I'm here, I'm in my body.

3586
03:21:58,270 --> 03:22:02,630
I can tell it here I am now I
want to be out but they can't

3587
03:22:02,630 --> 03:22:06,690
get from here to there but with
this method.

3588
03:22:06,690 --> 03:22:08,530
In Tom's Park, you don't get
from here to there.

3589
03:22:08,530 --> 03:22:11,170
It's a slow.
It's a slow process.

3590
03:22:11,170 --> 03:22:17,370
You can be 10% there and 90%
here and then 15% there and 85%

3591
03:22:17,370 --> 03:22:19,090
here, and it can go back and
forth.

3592
03:22:19,090 --> 03:22:22,490
It's a fluid process that can
flow back and forth with no

3593
03:22:22,490 --> 03:22:25,290
boundary.
It uses the.

3594
03:22:25,690 --> 03:22:30,530
Imagination instead of instead
of the discipline, you still

3595
03:22:30,530 --> 03:22:33,090
have to develop discipline, you
just you develop it in a

3596
03:22:33,090 --> 03:22:35,130
different way.
That's that's a lot easier.

3597
03:22:35,580 --> 03:22:39,420
So that's another tool I have
and there's some others that you

3598
03:22:39,460 --> 03:22:42,340
you know if the people who
listen to this say oh I'd like

3599
03:22:42,340 --> 03:22:46,300
to develop my intuitive side
because then I can talk to my

3600
03:22:46,580 --> 03:22:50,260
children my teenagers mind to
mind and we can get a lot of

3601
03:22:50,260 --> 03:22:53,820
things settled that right now
are hard you know yes you can

3602
03:22:53,820 --> 03:22:55,780
that's one of the things in
there part part of the part of

3603
03:22:55,780 --> 03:22:59,180
normal things is talking mind to
mind to people that that get

3604
03:22:59,380 --> 03:23:02,500
they get discussed.
So I just wanted to leave that

3605
03:23:02,500 --> 03:23:06,580
because I I I always feel bad
when I just leave people without

3606
03:23:06,580 --> 03:23:09,220
any way to find out for
themselves because I tell them

3607
03:23:09,220 --> 03:23:13,500
you got to find out for yourself
then you need to have some help

3608
03:23:13,500 --> 03:23:16,060
to otherwise it sounds like a
cheap trick.

3609
03:23:16,060 --> 03:23:17,860
Yeah, go find out for yourself,
you know?

3610
03:23:19,220 --> 03:23:20,780
And I completely agree, I think
that.

3611
03:23:21,060 --> 03:23:24,340
That first person subjective
phenomenal experience for your

3612
03:23:24,340 --> 03:23:27,500
yourself would would make that
experience a lot more valuable

3613
03:23:27,500 --> 03:23:31,380
to them as well and.
I think that's great and I will

3614
03:23:31,380 --> 03:23:35,540
definitely put links to that
Tom, because yeah, I think it's

3615
03:23:35,540 --> 03:23:39,540
fundamental for them to actually
develop their own tone for the

3616
03:23:39,540 --> 03:23:42,500
binaural.
I have binaural beats for the

3617
03:23:42,500 --> 03:23:44,420
ones who do want to meditate but
have trouble.

3618
03:23:45,020 --> 03:23:47,380
The binaural beats will stick
you in a meditation state and

3619
03:23:47,380 --> 03:23:50,100
hold you there.
So that's what they do.

3620
03:23:50,100 --> 03:23:53,340
And my binaural beats are
probably different than anybody

3621
03:23:53,340 --> 03:23:57,530
else's.
There's a a long history and a

3622
03:23:57,530 --> 03:24:00,850
lot of experimental trial and
error you know behind them, so

3623
03:24:02,930 --> 03:24:04,490
diving into that the next time
as well.

3624
03:24:04,810 --> 03:24:06,810
Yeah, they tend to.
They tend to work pretty well if

3625
03:24:06,810 --> 03:24:10,250
you just want to boost, but
warning comes with that.

3626
03:24:10,450 --> 03:24:13,370
Just like any training wheels,
if you're going to get really

3627
03:24:13,370 --> 03:24:15,530
good at things, you need to
eventually take the training

3628
03:24:15,530 --> 03:24:19,050
wheels off, yes.
So you gotta let the beats.

3629
03:24:19,050 --> 03:24:20,650
Go at some point.
And just do it on your own,

3630
03:24:20,890 --> 03:24:23,080
yeah?
No, no.

3631
03:24:23,080 --> 03:24:23,560
Thank you.
So.

3632
03:24:23,560 --> 03:24:24,920
Much, Tom, I really appreciate
it.

3633
03:24:24,920 --> 03:24:28,240
Anything you you want to say,
anything final words from your

3634
03:24:28,240 --> 03:24:31,760
side before we close off?
No, it's been a really good

3635
03:24:31,760 --> 03:24:33,520
talk.
I enjoyed talking with you,

3636
03:24:34,280 --> 03:24:39,960
Kevin, because you are a very
informed and a very bright guy

3637
03:24:39,960 --> 03:24:44,200
and I like to talk with people
who understand what I'm saying.

3638
03:24:44,520 --> 03:24:47,680
I could tell you could follow me
and it wasn't that hard.

3639
03:24:47,680 --> 03:24:49,440
You, you know, you followed
right along.

3640
03:24:49,440 --> 03:24:51,680
I could see you closing your
eyes and you're thinking about

3641
03:24:51,680 --> 03:24:54,360
it and and you got it.
So it's been fun.

3642
03:24:54,680 --> 03:24:59,800
So I would if you people like it
and you want to do it, let's do

3643
03:24:59,800 --> 03:25:03,080
a Part 2 and a part three and as
much as you want until you've

3644
03:25:03,080 --> 03:25:04,920
covered all the things that you
want to cover.

3645
03:25:05,440 --> 03:25:07,520
So too many questions.
I think we'll definitely do many

3646
03:25:07,520 --> 03:25:09,360
parts.
So I think it's definitely a

3647
03:25:09,360 --> 03:25:11,640
many part series.
And then that's the point of the

3648
03:25:11,640 --> 03:25:13,840
spot because it's just an
opportunity to explore these

3649
03:25:14,160 --> 03:25:16,880
wonderful topics.
Yeah, OK, so good.

3650
03:25:16,960 --> 03:25:19,200
I'd like to do that.
I'd like to do that too.

3651
03:25:19,200 --> 03:25:23,900
You're a good.
What is it the interviewer

3652
03:25:23,900 --> 03:25:25,220
you're not?
Interviewing.

3653
03:25:25,220 --> 03:25:28,340
So much as you kind of steering
the conversation a little bit

3654
03:25:28,340 --> 03:25:33,900
here and there so that's good.
I I I've enjoyed the time too.

3655
03:25:33,900 --> 03:25:35,940
Went from 2:00 to 5:30.
Yeah.

3656
03:25:35,940 --> 03:25:37,700
It was like this time flew.
I'm.

3657
03:25:37,900 --> 03:25:40,220
Surprised how late it is.
Yeah, I actually had no idea the

3658
03:25:40,220 --> 03:25:43,700
time until I really looked down.
Yeah, that's what happens when

3659
03:25:43,700 --> 03:25:46,670
you're having fun.
OK, thank you.

3660
03:25:46,910 --> 03:25:48,270
We'll do it again some other
time.

3661
03:25:48,270 --> 03:25:52,030
Once you get all this done and
get it out and get the get the

3662
03:25:52,030 --> 03:25:55,270
feedback from your viewers, ask
them what they wanna hear about.

3663
03:25:55,830 --> 03:25:56,790
That's something I'm going to
do.

3664
03:25:56,790 --> 03:25:58,870
So any questions?
Anything they're curious about,

3665
03:25:58,870 --> 03:26:01,950
I'll, I'll make a list, I'll
keep notes and we'll cover all

3666
03:26:01,950 --> 03:26:03,790
of it the next time and the
future times as well.

3667
03:26:04,350 --> 03:26:05,790
OK, good.
Great seeing you.

3668
03:26:06,350 --> 03:26:08,190
Yes, Tom, thank you so much and
have a great day.